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Harwood and these are the higher side

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all right people how we doing out there

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from sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carl wood

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and today really is the treat of treats

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because although many of us are clued in

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on both the power of consciousness and

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the high strangeness that's been

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CIA in secret we are in the minority and

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spies ESP precognition and remote

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viewing to be I role worthy despite the

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the face to those involved and not to

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documentary by today's guests Russell

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Targ and Lance munguia entitled third

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reality of ESP a physicists proof of

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psychic abilities limitless mind a guide

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psychic spine conceivable so let's get

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this film it really is a mind-blower I

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release of this film I mean it has to

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corrected because to have the CIA be so

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who talked about there being polygraph

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camera looking at you and saying yes we

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true and the thing that happened is

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the psychic spying we did from them

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accomplishment all its own and Lance I

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speak on record for the first time even

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if his questions did have to be vetted

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by the CIA but how is this process been

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that the film is being well received I

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debuted there so there's a real I think

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audience for this type of material and

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abilities and and maybe they haven't

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groundbreaking thing that's gonna really

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part of this film with Russell you know

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one of it one of the things that really

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scope is definitely something to behold

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are on board with remote viewing as a

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viable mental ability broadly speaking

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give us a better idea of the shape of

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your earlier question I am relieved in

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iTunes and Amazon because until the film

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was always worried the CIA is going to

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ineligible for a downgrade so broke my

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heart as we would do remarkable remote

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viewing where somebody would describe a

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path right

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to describe a crane in the Soviet Union

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bolts and then they would stamp that

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ineligible from down grading which means

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that 20 years could go by you still

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couldn't tell anybody about it so I feel

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that finally while I'm still alive I'm

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even withheld this story because nobody

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else would tell it there's nobody else

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around who would tell the story of our

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20 years of remarkable the psychic

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research and psychic spying the road

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ability that we all have in which you

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quiet your mind and you're able to

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describe and experience what's going on

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at a distant place or in the future so

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what secret is that anyone can do it now

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some people are better than others just

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like in a musical ability everybody can

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learn to play the piano a little bit but

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some people will get to Carnegie Hall

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and those are very few similarly our

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a plus psychics but there are quite a

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lot of other people we trained a dozen

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command and they set up a psychic spying

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available and one of the things I wanted

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to get across in the film in that this

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is not an exotic occult ability as part

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of being human we have that ability and

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even a scientist can do it mm-hmm

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you know Greg it was amazing to me that

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Russell's passion for this I mean that

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was really another thing that kept me

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going over the years of making this film

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was you know this was a story that you

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know he obviously wanted to tell but it

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this even going to be allowed to be seen

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that was like sex actually a really big

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concerned we to the very end we thought

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from from CIA or some other agency is

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making a phone call to the studio and

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saying guys you can't release this yeah

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cynical about what I expect from the CIA

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so this is really great I guess we'll

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take it when we can get it and as you

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details emerge that kind of speak to the

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mechanisms involved that just blow my

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business of hiding things in psychic

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space were they line from our great

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psychic past Christ Christ with a

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retired police commissioner who came to

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us in the early days of our program and

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he was given coordinates of something

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that our contract monitor kicked read

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wanted him to describe so he was given a

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slip of paper with latitude and

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longitude and that so what do you see

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Pat and Pat said where I see this

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collection of big radar antennas and

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trucks going in and out and buildings

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and you can go down into this building

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and the basement of the building they're

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a bunch of racks of equipment and the

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name of this place is rack up and cue

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born eight-ball and all sorts of

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billiard names and he gave us the the

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names of the programs that he saw what

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turned out is what he described is a

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top-secret National Security Agency NSA

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listening post nothing could be more

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secret than what he described as an

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American security the listening post of

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the NSA or the super top of the top

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secret things

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so there's Vice retired policeman dug

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into that and described the not only did

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he describe what was there but the names

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of the program were top secret so we

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a big inquisition @sr I CIA was called

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in NSA was source hell NSA wanted to

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know why would the CIA target the

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psychics to break the code of the NSA so

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everybody was upset about that

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and finally the NSA guy turned to Pat

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prices that if you're so psychic

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why didn't you describe the thing where

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your current coordinates actually sent

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you which was a log-cabin just over the

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hill from the sugar grove facility well

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price said I was coming in at 50,000

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feet over this hilltop psychic Lake I

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saw the log cabin but then I saw this

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giant facility with huge antennas and I

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assumed that that's what you wanted me

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to see because you know in psychic space

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the more you hide something the more

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shines like a beacon

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and that little epigram has been our

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theme through the whole program the more

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attention you have on hiding something

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the more it shines like a beacon and

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psychic space and that was Pat prices

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experience mm-hmm yes I like that and

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it's just interesting because a lot of

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the targets are things like secret

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facilities secret submarines nuclear

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facilities and the first thought is well

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this is because of the intelligence

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gathering application but maybe it's

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also in part the fact that when you're

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out there in psychic space those things

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that are secret shine up more so it's

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kind of like a very convenient part of

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the process that actually works for the

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CIA's application I absolutely agree

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with that Greg I think that one of the

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things that's been shown again and again

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through all of the remote viewing

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experiments that have been done all the

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stuff that's being done today is it's

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not just the more you want to hide it

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but just that the more consciousness

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itself that is placed on a given object

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like for instance if the same target is

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tasked by multiple remote viewers over a

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long period of time they find that they

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statistically can get better outcomes

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because there's just been a lot of

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attention placed on it you know like the

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US before about like you

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what's the difference between looking

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with your eyes and looking with your

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your third eye or your psychic ability

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and I would wrestle can you know chime

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in on this but I think it's an imagined

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ability I mean it's something you're

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using your imagination and we tend to

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always discount our imagination we we

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get probably strange images in our mind

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all of the time and we just kind of

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filter it out as noise and what I think

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s RI and and Russell and all of the the

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people who work there figured out was no

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we should really be paying attention to

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these sort of just unexpected little

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blips that we get on our mental radar

371
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and I think that really was the secret

372
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to their success was not only were they

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doing that but they were looking at

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really big things like you say that that

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made it very convenient to see because a

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lot of other people were were thinking

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about it mm-hmm mmhmm yes when people

378
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kind of think about remote viewing I

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imagine that they generally have this

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sort of out-of-body aerial view

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impression but that's not always true

382
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right because there are cases of getting

383
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inside places that really you shouldn't

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be able to get into it all and actually

385
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reading details like names on files one

386
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of the experiments we did Ken kress

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asked us he was a contract monitor from

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the CIA

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sometimes he wanted to know where's the

390
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hostage or where's the airplane and

391
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sometimes he would just give us a test

392
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to see how accurately we could do and

393
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one of the things he asked us to do is

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can you describe Brezhnev's office in

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the kremlin and he knew that i had never

396
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been inside the Kremlin and the psychic

397
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I was working with with my friend hella

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Hamid who is experienced Life magazine

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photographer but she was brought into

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our program as a control kit Green who

401
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the physician said we know that Ingo

402
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Swann and Pat price have been psychic

403
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all their lives can you find us somebody

404
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who's never done this before and I asked

405
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my friend hella was a very intelligent

406
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German refugee came to America with the

407
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photographer worked for Life magazine

408
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woman for all seasons always game

409
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and she thought it would be very

410
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entertaining to come from LA where's she

411
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living to be a psychic spy for the CIA

412
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and be paid to be psychic she just

413
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thought that was the funniest thing

414
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anybody had ever offered her this he's

415
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sure I have you showing me how to do it

416
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I'll come and do it and she turned out

417
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to be the most statistically successful

418
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of anybody in the program as compared

419
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with the great Ingo Swann Pat price were

420
00:17:09,550 --> 00:17:07,010
you really put her to the test how

421
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accurately can you describe place after

422
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place Helen was a top psychic in the

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program and she was brought into the

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control because that's just you be an

425
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inspiration for anybody who hears this

426
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and would like to try it because what we

427
00:17:27,820 --> 00:17:24,680
found is that the inexperienced control

428
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was the most psychic person we ever saw

429
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so kick green asked us to describe

430
00:17:37,270 --> 00:17:34,280
Brezhnev's office so I sat down with

431
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Helen and our little shielded remote

432
00:17:44,170 --> 00:17:40,750
viewing room and she said well I'm

433
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walking down a hallway covered with the

434
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red brocade and at the end of the hall

435
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to the door covered with leather and

436
00:17:56,500 --> 00:17:54,110
that red leather is held in place by big

437
00:18:00,880 --> 00:17:56,510
brass upholstery tacks that's what I get

438
00:18:03,550 --> 00:18:00,890
now is my job as a interviewer see I

439
00:18:06,430 --> 00:18:03,560
never know what the answer is but I know

440
00:18:07,870 --> 00:18:06,440
what the customer wants to hear and I

441
00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:07,880
know that he doesn't want to hear about

442
00:18:14,020 --> 00:18:09,890
the front door he wants to hear about

443
00:18:18,100 --> 00:18:14,030
what's inside so my job is like like the

444
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priest at Delphi 2,000 years ago there

445
00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:20,000
was a psychic sitting on a tripod

446
00:18:26,290 --> 00:18:23,570
Adelphi the Oracle and the priest would

447
00:18:29,530 --> 00:18:26,300
ask her questions and have to keep the

448
00:18:32,020 --> 00:18:29,540
ball rolling until the question from the

449
00:18:34,210 --> 00:18:32,030
customer was answered so I sort of

450
00:18:36,820 --> 00:18:34,220
played this part that had been set up

451
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2,000 years before I was the interviewer

452
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so in hella described the door with

453
00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:43,400
brass upholstery tacks I said well why

454
00:18:48,550 --> 00:18:45,530
did I open that for you you can see

455
00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:48,560
what's inside as though I can reach out

456
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and open the door and

457
00:18:56,230 --> 00:18:53,420
Kremlin but that's like the lucid dream

458
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were both participating in and she said

459
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well the doors open but a dark inside

460
00:19:03,340 --> 00:19:01,100
which would be appropriate because

461
00:19:05,590 --> 00:19:03,350
they're nine hours ahead of us so is it

462
00:19:07,870 --> 00:19:05,600
okay I'll turn on the lights hello what

463
00:19:09,610 --> 00:19:07,880
do you see now as you look around and

464
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she said well that's much better if I

465
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look out the window I can see Red Square

466
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and I see the churches with their onion

467
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domes on the left and on the right I see

468
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a big wooden desk covered with a big

469
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sheet of glass and behind the desk the

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wooden wall does the door in the wall so

471
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I said well why don't we open the door

472
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and see what's there and we walk into

473
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the door and walked down a flight of

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stairs and she said well there's

475
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computer Bay's on the left and on the

476
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right big racks of computers and at that

477
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point I began to feel frightened because

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I have a lot of clearances at that point

479
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but I was not cleared to be in the

480
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computer bay of the Kremlin so I felt a

481
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sort of flash or paranoia closing in on

482
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me and in my interviewer framework I

483
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said we've told them enough if she's in

484
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what Helen said is correct

485
00:20:13,870 --> 00:20:11,060
they know that we've been in the Kremlin

486
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in the bridge nebs office so I said

487
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that's terrific hello let's get the hell

488
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out of here

489
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and it turned out that two years later I

490
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had left the program and I was giving a

491
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lecture to the Soviet Academy of

492
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Sciences in the Kremlin and everybody

493
00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:31,880
thought that that was very interesting

494
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and I told them there are no secrets

495
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anymore and they found that the most

496
00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:38,630
shocking thing of all they said well

497
00:20:42,850 --> 00:20:41,210
there anything you'd like to see and I

498
00:20:46,090 --> 00:20:42,860
said yeah as a matter of fact I'd like

499
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to see Brezhnev's office I don't have to

500
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meet the premier hour just like to see

501
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where he sits so they walked me out of

502
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the big lecture theater down the hall

503
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open the door covered with red leather

504
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and I could see his desk on the right

505
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and out the window I could see the Crim

506
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the Red Square and she'd given a picture

507
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perfect description of Brezhnev's office

508
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as I got to see for myself two years

509
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:15,780
later so there's the kind of thing that

510
00:21:21,410 --> 00:21:19,170
we were doing at SR I I'd worked with a

511
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:21,420
psychic I had no idea what the answer

512
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:25,770
was but I could keep the ball rolling so

513
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that she would continue to describe what

514
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was there and then somebody would get

515
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feedback at the end so that was

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considered a very successful experiment

517
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when I was able to come back and say yes

518
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you described exactly what was there Wow

519
00:21:46,370 --> 00:21:43,830
Wow yeah it's just so fascinating that

520
00:21:48,290 --> 00:21:46,380
it seems like it's no harder to see

521
00:21:49,790 --> 00:21:48,300
something 6,000 miles away even if

522
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:49,800
you've never been there that it is

523
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:51,450
something in the next room and that's

524
00:21:56,060 --> 00:21:53,520
just a crazy thing to get your head

525
00:21:59,570 --> 00:21:56,070
around and great bringing up the Oracle

526
00:22:02,690 --> 00:21:59,580
of Delphi I mean this is uh not new I

527
00:22:04,820 --> 00:22:02,700
mean humanity is known about this for a

528
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:04,830
long long time I guess we just forgot

529
00:22:10,370 --> 00:22:07,440
for a while or you know were steered

530
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:10,380
away from this sort of stuff but it's

531
00:22:15,290 --> 00:22:12,720
definitely been in the mix of the human

532
00:22:16,790 --> 00:22:15,300
story for a long time hasn't it that's

533
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:16,800
right the Buddhists have written about

534
00:22:25,220 --> 00:22:21,890
this extensively and before Christ

535
00:22:28,250 --> 00:22:25,230
potentially was a Hindu Dharma master

536
00:22:30,770 --> 00:22:28,260
and he wrote a book which had now known

537
00:22:33,860 --> 00:22:30,780
to the Sutras of Patanjali where he

538
00:22:36,890 --> 00:22:33,870
tells about if you want to experience

539
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:36,900
the divine you quiet your mind and you

540
00:22:41,300 --> 00:22:38,250
will be able to see into the distance

541
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:41,310
see into the future heal the sick

542
00:22:47,810 --> 00:22:45,330
diagnose the sick but don't get attached

543
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:47,820
to that these these are just ability

544
00:22:52,220 --> 00:22:50,400
through snake hole cities and they will

545
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:52,230
be stumbling blocks if you want to

546
00:22:59,030 --> 00:22:56,570
experience the divine and you experience

547
00:23:00,920 --> 00:22:59,040
your ability to see them in the distance

548
00:23:03,230 --> 00:23:00,930
and see them of the future you know

549
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:03,240
you're on the right track but that's not

550
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:06,810
the end goal and the Buddhists the

551
00:23:12,380 --> 00:23:09,450
eighth century padma tsubame is the one

552
00:23:14,780 --> 00:23:12,390
who brought buddhism to tibet so he's a

553
00:23:16,730 --> 00:23:14,790
historical figure who wrote many many

554
00:23:19,299 --> 00:23:16,740
books

555
00:23:22,220 --> 00:23:19,309
he wrote a book called self liberation

556
00:23:24,350 --> 00:23:22,230
through seeing with naked awareness

557
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:24,360
which sounds like a remote viewing

558
00:23:30,740 --> 00:23:27,450
textbook self liberation through seeing

559
00:23:33,409 --> 00:23:30,750
with naked awareness in order to do that

560
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:33,419
you have to give up your desire to name

561
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:36,480
things and to grasp them naming and

562
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:39,690
grasping and what we would call analysis

563
00:23:44,269 --> 00:23:42,480
is the enemy of psychic abilities you

564
00:23:47,630 --> 00:23:44,279
want to experience your timeless

565
00:23:49,580 --> 00:23:47,640
awareness which is your nature and then

566
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:49,590
you can see into the distance see into

567
00:23:55,730 --> 00:23:51,840
the future and experience your true

568
00:23:58,639 --> 00:23:55,740
nature and this was 1200 years ago so as

569
00:24:00,500 --> 00:23:58,649
an author it always makes me happy to

570
00:24:02,690 --> 00:24:00,510
find that a book written twelve hundred

571
00:24:05,690 --> 00:24:02,700
years ago is still in print and people

572
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:05,700
find it interesting but the Buddhists

573
00:24:11,149 --> 00:24:08,610
have that as part of their lore from the

574
00:24:14,180 --> 00:24:11,159
very beginning they don't feature it

575
00:24:16,130 --> 00:24:14,190
it's a little embarrassing but the the

576
00:24:16,730 --> 00:24:16,140
great Buddhist teacher like hundreds

577
00:24:20,810 --> 00:24:16,740
abhava

578
00:24:25,580 --> 00:24:20,820
and launch and Rob John who was less of

579
00:24:28,970 --> 00:24:25,590
a theologian and a rather a genius

580
00:24:32,990 --> 00:24:28,980
helpful writer this guy named LAN Champa

581
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:33,000
in the 12th century wrote in what for us

582
00:24:40,490 --> 00:24:35,250
is contemporary English no mumbo-jumbo

583
00:24:43,580 --> 00:24:40,500
no deities no eight-armed creatures he

584
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:43,590
just told you in detail how your

585
00:24:49,820 --> 00:24:46,850
awareness is inherently timeless and

586
00:24:52,430 --> 00:24:49,830
you're not limited by cause and effect

587
00:24:56,779 --> 00:24:52,440
because your consciousness can move into

588
00:24:58,850 --> 00:24:56,789
time into space the idea that if you

589
00:25:00,830 --> 00:24:58,860
think your nature is what you see in the

590
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:00,840
mirror in the morning then you're in for

591
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:03,570
a lot of suffering you're really not the

592
00:25:08,750 --> 00:25:05,730
meat and potatoes you see in the mirror

593
00:25:11,299 --> 00:25:08,760
but your nature is timeless awareness

594
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:11,309
and you can quiet your mind and move

595
00:25:17,740 --> 00:25:15,600
into these timeless realms and Buddha's

596
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:17,750
are are there to help you do that

597
00:25:23,810 --> 00:25:21,210
man it is so amazing and it's just crazy

598
00:25:26,389 --> 00:25:23,820
to me that we've had this in the human

599
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:26,399
record for so long apparently it doesn't

600
00:25:30,649 --> 00:25:29,250
take that much training and yet here we

601
00:25:32,690 --> 00:25:30,659
are so few people

602
00:25:34,009 --> 00:25:32,700
even believe it's possible and it's a

603
00:25:36,169 --> 00:25:34,019
hell of a lot more interesting than

604
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:36,179
American Idol I don't know why people

605
00:25:41,450 --> 00:25:38,970
are focused on the wrong things so often

606
00:25:43,609 --> 00:25:41,460
but Lance to bring you back in here when

607
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:43,619
Russell broke this all down for you and

608
00:25:47,239 --> 00:25:45,570
you learned about some of these I guess

609
00:25:50,479 --> 00:25:47,249
biggest hits should we say of the

610
00:25:52,489 --> 00:25:50,489
Stargate secret spies give us an example

611
00:25:55,580 --> 00:25:52,499
of something that maybe you found most

612
00:25:57,529 --> 00:25:55,590
impressive what blew your mind well I

613
00:25:58,879 --> 00:25:57,539
actually want to just for a minute talk

614
00:26:00,469 --> 00:25:58,889
about what blew my mind about what

615
00:26:02,060 --> 00:26:00,479
Russell was just saying because I was I

616
00:26:04,099 --> 00:26:02,070
was I was sitting here listening to him

617
00:26:05,839 --> 00:26:04,109
first of all talk about you know guiding

618
00:26:08,629 --> 00:26:05,849
hella Hamid through the Kremlin and and

619
00:26:10,159 --> 00:26:08,639
and the way that he was talking this is

620
00:26:10,909 --> 00:26:10,169
a completely pop culture reference I

621
00:26:12,469 --> 00:26:10,919
don't know if you've ever heard of

622
00:26:16,969 --> 00:26:12,479
Dungeons & Dragons or if you ever played

623
00:26:19,369 --> 00:26:16,979
it as a kid you know and as part of that

624
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:19,379
game you have this this person who is

625
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:21,690
always the dungeon master and he sits

626
00:26:25,339 --> 00:26:23,279
there and he has all the maps and he

627
00:26:26,930 --> 00:26:25,349
knows he knows sort of the the layout of

628
00:26:30,349 --> 00:26:26,940
the story and what they're looking for

629
00:26:31,519 --> 00:26:30,359
and he guides these other characters you

630
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:31,529
know the other kids sitting around the

631
00:26:35,299 --> 00:26:33,210
table through this sort of imaginary

632
00:26:37,700 --> 00:26:35,309
world and he'll say okay you're coming

633
00:26:39,289 --> 00:26:37,710
up on a door now there's two orcs

634
00:26:41,239 --> 00:26:39,299
standing in front of the door what would

635
00:26:43,219 --> 00:26:41,249
you like to do now you know he paints

636
00:26:45,229 --> 00:26:43,229
the picture for them and I think that

637
00:26:48,349 --> 00:26:45,239
that's what made Russell's so good as a

638
00:26:50,690 --> 00:26:48,359
monitor for remote viewing is that he

639
00:26:52,759 --> 00:26:50,700
understood very clearly that this was

640
00:26:55,099 --> 00:26:52,769
something that completely lived in the

641
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:55,109
imagination and so it's almost like

642
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:57,090
playing a game it's like he was able to

643
00:27:00,680 --> 00:26:59,039
sort of set this that the tone and the

644
00:27:01,940 --> 00:27:00,690
and then the end the end the way and

645
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:01,950
help the person that was doing the

646
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:03,450
remote viewing through the world and I

647
00:27:06,649 --> 00:27:05,129
find that so fascinating because it is

648
00:27:08,570 --> 00:27:06,659
almost like playing Dungeons & Dragons

649
00:27:11,779 --> 00:27:08,580
and that never occurred to me until just

650
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:11,789
now as I was watching you know say that

651
00:27:16,999 --> 00:27:14,570
but in terms of the thing that really

652
00:27:18,649 --> 00:27:17,009
really moved me the most in the end that

653
00:27:20,719 --> 00:27:18,659
kept me going it was the second part of

654
00:27:23,509 --> 00:27:20,729
what Russell just said you know because

655
00:27:25,310 --> 00:27:23,519
he talks about timeless awareness and I

656
00:27:27,710 --> 00:27:25,320
remember this conversation we had after

657
00:27:28,460 --> 00:27:27,720
we had just interviewed Ken kress who

658
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:28,470
was the undercover

659
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:30,720
you know initial program manager for CIA

660
00:27:35,930 --> 00:27:33,570
and and we were out in Montana we were

661
00:27:37,369 --> 00:27:35,940
driving through Big Sky Country I was in

662
00:27:39,379 --> 00:27:37,379
the backseat and I was actually filming

663
00:27:41,690 --> 00:27:39,389
Russell in the rearview mirror like

664
00:27:43,159 --> 00:27:41,700
holding a camera and Russell was sitting

665
00:27:44,120 --> 00:27:43,169
in the front and we were just driving to

666
00:27:46,790 --> 00:27:44,130
this amazing

667
00:27:48,740 --> 00:27:46,800
amazing picturesque landscape and and

668
00:27:50,930 --> 00:27:48,750
there's all these clouds floating across

669
00:27:52,670 --> 00:27:50,940
Russell's faces I was I was filming him

670
00:27:54,110 --> 00:27:52,680
and I thought this is just an incredibly

671
00:27:56,510 --> 00:27:54,120
beautiful image and he started talking

672
00:27:58,490 --> 00:27:56,520
about timeless awareness and the fact

673
00:28:00,980 --> 00:27:58,500
that what remote viewing suggests is

674
00:28:02,990 --> 00:28:00,990
that you know we are connected to all

675
00:28:04,730 --> 00:28:03,000
other points in space and time and

676
00:28:06,620 --> 00:28:04,740
outside of space and time in fact and

677
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:06,630
and that's what the Buddhists have been

678
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:07,850
talking about with all of the great

679
00:28:12,020 --> 00:28:10,410
masters through history have have said

680
00:28:14,540 --> 00:28:12,030
is that you know you're much more than

681
00:28:16,850 --> 00:28:14,550
just what you think you are you know and

682
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:16,860
and we really are only as powerless as

683
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:19,530
we think we are and that to me was was a

684
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:22,410
moment that hit me very hard and it

685
00:28:25,580 --> 00:28:24,000
actually I thought about it for actually

686
00:28:27,980 --> 00:28:25,590
years after that I mean it was something

687
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:27,990
that has stuck with me and and it was

688
00:28:31,850 --> 00:28:29,520
something that drove me I mean it's not

689
00:28:33,860 --> 00:28:31,860
a scientific statement and I'm not here

690
00:28:35,570 --> 00:28:33,870
to prove any kind of belief system you

691
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:35,580
know that's not what I'm doing with this

692
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:37,410
film I mean I wanted to be as objective

693
00:28:41,210 --> 00:28:39,840
as possible you know in how we portrayed

694
00:28:43,550 --> 00:28:41,220
this sort of phenomenon because there

695
00:28:46,220 --> 00:28:43,560
was so much data to it but you can't

696
00:28:48,890 --> 00:28:46,230
help but walk away from this subject

697
00:28:50,660 --> 00:28:48,900
matter with a better appreciation of

698
00:28:53,090 --> 00:28:50,670
sort of the mysteries and the things

699
00:28:54,620 --> 00:28:53,100
that we don't know and I see this again

700
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:54,630
and again and again when people watch

701
00:28:57,860 --> 00:28:56,640
our film you know they kind of walk out

702
00:28:59,480 --> 00:28:57,870
and they kind of scratch their heads and

703
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:59,490
go wow I thought I had a pretty good

704
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:01,200
handle on things but you know maybe I

705
00:29:06,590 --> 00:29:03,690
don't and and that's healthy that's a

706
00:29:08,390 --> 00:29:06,600
really healthy sort of skepticism you

707
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:08,400
know it's it's like you would think oh

708
00:29:12,140 --> 00:29:09,930
you're you know somebody's a true

709
00:29:14,030 --> 00:29:12,150
believer they think that no no no you're

710
00:29:17,540 --> 00:29:14,040
actually I think more skeptical of the

711
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:17,550
existing models that we have and and I

712
00:29:21,410 --> 00:29:19,650
think that that was something that I

713
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:21,420
felt we could really contribute to the

714
00:29:26,270 --> 00:29:23,850
overall conversation in a bigger way

715
00:29:27,890 --> 00:29:26,280
than than just sort of psychic spies for

716
00:29:30,770 --> 00:29:27,900
the military you know to me the psychic

717
00:29:32,890 --> 00:29:30,780
spies were were fascinating and as a

718
00:29:36,410 --> 00:29:32,900
storyteller that's a great story to tell

719
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:36,420
because it's a hook but it wasn't the

720
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:38,130
thing that kept me working on this and

721
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:39,810
kept me working on it to a point where I

722
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:41,760
felt like it was really good because

723
00:29:44,990 --> 00:29:43,170
there are many points will be could have

724
00:29:47,090 --> 00:29:45,000
just stopped and said okay let's just

725
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:47,100
put the film out and it'll be okay and

726
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:49,440
you know people will enjoy we wanted to

727
00:29:53,690 --> 00:29:51,090
make a great film about this subject

728
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:53,700
matter that was always our goal so what

729
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:55,200
kept me going was that it was this idea

730
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:57,690
of sort of what we don't

731
00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:00,000
and in the mysteries and because I love

732
00:30:04,430 --> 00:30:02,129
living in a world where there's a little

733
00:30:06,049 --> 00:30:04,440
bit of magic and a little bit of mystery

734
00:30:08,869 --> 00:30:06,059
and and not everything is just

735
00:30:11,210 --> 00:30:08,879
completely figured out and and time and

736
00:30:13,249 --> 00:30:11,220
time again throughout history science

737
00:30:15,499 --> 00:30:13,259
has always had to reevaluate itself and

738
00:30:17,899 --> 00:30:15,509
it's always had to step back and take a

739
00:30:20,930 --> 00:30:17,909
second look at things and whenever we

740
00:30:23,090 --> 00:30:20,940
get stuck I think as a species as

741
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:23,100
humanity is is when we think we have it

742
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:25,610
all figured out I'm right you're wrong

743
00:30:31,009 --> 00:30:29,370
everything is set you know that just

744
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:31,019
sets us up for failure from the time

745
00:30:36,019 --> 00:30:34,080
that Columbus tried to you know ride to

746
00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:36,029
the end of the earth and Galileo made

747
00:30:39,980 --> 00:30:38,129
his first telescope and you know man

748
00:30:43,730 --> 00:30:39,990
first created fire I mean this is just

749
00:30:46,220 --> 00:30:43,740
another step in that evolution and as

750
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:46,230
skip out water said so nicely at the end

751
00:30:51,860 --> 00:30:48,570
of the film he was the captain of the

752
00:30:53,210 --> 00:30:51,870
army remote viewing unit at Fort mean he

753
00:30:55,490 --> 00:30:53,220
said you know maybe it's not all about

754
00:30:57,710 --> 00:30:55,500
psychic spies and gathering intelligence

755
00:31:00,350 --> 00:30:57,720
and maybe what this is really about is

756
00:31:01,700 --> 00:31:00,360
just another step in in evolution you

757
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:01,710
know towards the evolution of our own

758
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:03,450
consciousness and and maybe what that's

759
00:31:07,009 --> 00:31:05,370
really about is getting a little bit

760
00:31:09,889 --> 00:31:07,019
better feel for other people and for

761
00:31:11,299 --> 00:31:09,899
empathy the world I think can benefit

762
00:31:13,070 --> 00:31:11,309
from some empathy about now I mean

763
00:31:14,810 --> 00:31:13,080
there's so much sort of lack of it and

764
00:31:17,299 --> 00:31:14,820
sort of separation I just think that's a

765
00:31:20,659 --> 00:31:17,309
beautiful question to talk about in a

766
00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:20,669
film and I'm so so glad that we were

767
00:31:25,519 --> 00:31:22,769
able to bring that to the table mm-hmm

768
00:31:27,860 --> 00:31:25,529
great points and you're right huge

769
00:31:29,749 --> 00:31:27,870
implications for the makeup of reality

770
00:31:31,970 --> 00:31:29,759
and that kind of makes me wonder because

771
00:31:33,860 --> 00:31:31,980
there are a few comments peppered

772
00:31:35,749 --> 00:31:33,870
throughout the film about the CIA and

773
00:31:38,029 --> 00:31:35,759
how they were pretty singularly focused

774
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:38,039
on spy craft they didn't really want to

775
00:31:41,389 --> 00:31:39,840
study it any further than just getting

776
00:31:43,490 --> 00:31:41,399
results and they definitely didn't care

777
00:31:46,759 --> 00:31:43,500
too much about those wider implications

778
00:31:49,879 --> 00:31:46,769
I'm curious Russell if looking back in

779
00:31:51,950 --> 00:31:49,889
hindsight how you feel about aligning

780
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:51,960
all this work with the same organization

781
00:31:55,999 --> 00:31:53,970
responsible for things like MKULTRA

782
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:56,009
might you have done things differently

783
00:32:00,540 --> 00:31:57,760
at all

784
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:00,550
where we were invited to follow the path

785
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:03,120
of MKULTRA because one of our first

786
00:32:12,150 --> 00:32:07,570
contact of the CIA was Sidney Gottlieb

787
00:32:15,270 --> 00:32:12,160
who ran MKULTRA first I want to say that

788
00:32:18,300 --> 00:32:15,280
I recognize he's a horrible person right

789
00:32:20,700 --> 00:32:18,310
up there with Josef Mengele torturing

790
00:32:23,490 --> 00:32:20,710
people and killing people but he's also

791
00:32:26,700 --> 00:32:23,500
highly intelligent entertaining consider

792
00:32:28,830 --> 00:32:26,710
your basic sociopath with the left hand

793
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:28,840
is killing people with his right people

794
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:31,450
he's quite entertaining and he thought

795
00:32:37,500 --> 00:32:33,370
that we can improve our remote viewing

796
00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:37,510
if we would give LSD to our subjects but

797
00:32:43,260 --> 00:32:40,500
we're already pretty experienced with

798
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:43,270
remote viewing and knew that you have to

799
00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:46,930
have your conscious awareness available

800
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:50,110
to separate the signal the psychic

801
00:32:56,190 --> 00:32:52,930
signal from your mental noise so there's

802
00:32:58,380 --> 00:32:56,200
a strong analytical requirement to do

803
00:33:00,240 --> 00:32:58,390
remote viewing because when you close

804
00:33:02,910 --> 00:33:00,250
your eyes you're gonna see all kinds of

805
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:02,920
pictures and you have to learn to

806
00:33:10,530 --> 00:33:06,490
recognize the images that correspond to

807
00:33:13,130 --> 00:33:10,540
your distant target from what you saw in

808
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:13,140
the parking lot on your way to those

809
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:16,930
laboratory so you know we're familiar

810
00:33:22,380 --> 00:33:19,330
with MKULTRA that was not the path that

811
00:33:24,990 --> 00:33:22,390
we wanted to follow and I want to say my

812
00:33:28,110 --> 00:33:25,000
reason for mentioning Buddhism is not

813
00:33:30,450 --> 00:33:28,120
that you should accept psychic ability

814
00:33:31,950 --> 00:33:30,460
because the Buddha's described it but

815
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:31,960
every one give me the idea that this is

816
00:33:36,900 --> 00:33:34,210
not New Age this is not something that

817
00:33:39,690 --> 00:33:36,910
was invented in the years of the flower

818
00:33:42,750 --> 00:33:39,700
children but people have been studying

819
00:33:47,310 --> 00:33:42,760
this and writing books on how to do it

820
00:33:50,460 --> 00:33:47,320
for 2,000 years so we have some it

821
00:33:52,650 --> 00:33:50,470
advanced because no modern physics we

822
00:33:54,540 --> 00:33:52,660
can say a little bit about how this must

823
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:54,550
be working to let you look into the

824
00:33:59,390 --> 00:33:57,010
future into the distance

825
00:34:02,310 --> 00:33:59,400
but the Buddhist had been quite

826
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:02,320
proficient in perfecting this so that

827
00:34:07,890 --> 00:34:05,410
people could include our psychic

828
00:34:10,740 --> 00:34:07,900
abilities in their lives

829
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:10,750
hmm mm-hmm yes that Sydney College

830
00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:13,090
subtext is quite interesting I heard you

831
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:15,730
talk about that before but man he seems

832
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:18,399
like an intimidating guy to disagree

833
00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:21,370
with well I could tell you about the

834
00:34:25,470 --> 00:34:24,129
very first thing we show in the film so

835
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:25,480
you don't have to believe me

836
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:29,200
Ben we come on with a testimony from

837
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:33,370
President Jimmy Carter where the

838
00:34:38,730 --> 00:34:35,530
Russians had accidentally crashed an

839
00:34:41,220 --> 00:34:38,740
airplane into North Africa and the CIA

840
00:34:44,490 --> 00:34:41,230
was looking for and could not find it

841
00:34:47,490 --> 00:34:44,500
and Jimmy Carter was in on that because

842
00:34:50,070 --> 00:34:47,500
the crashed plane although it was a

843
00:34:52,290 --> 00:34:50,080
bomber was doing reconnaissance and was

844
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:52,300
full of code books so it was more

845
00:34:57,830 --> 00:34:55,450
valuable than a bomber and we were in a

846
00:35:01,230 --> 00:34:57,840
race with the Russians who will find it

847
00:35:04,050 --> 00:35:01,240
the Americans or the Russians and the

848
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:04,060
CIA couldn't find it because having

849
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:06,850
crashed in the jungle satellite

850
00:35:13,410 --> 00:35:08,650
photography could not penetrate the

851
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:13,420
general canopy so they were so desperate

852
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:16,930
as Carter says in the film that we went

853
00:35:22,350 --> 00:35:19,690
to the psychics in California and the

854
00:35:25,230 --> 00:35:22,360
psychics were able to mark a map read

855
00:35:26,270 --> 00:35:25,240
off the coordinates and we then sent a

856
00:35:30,330 --> 00:35:26,280
helicopter

857
00:35:32,940 --> 00:35:30,340
Tuesday air to those coordinates and we

858
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:32,950
found the bomber just where the psychic

859
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:36,160
lady said it would be we had a whole

860
00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:40,330
investigation showing that our team with

861
00:35:44,490 --> 00:35:41,110
the CIA

862
00:35:47,130 --> 00:35:44,500
using our coordinates got the helicopter

863
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:47,140
in a situation where nobody else could

864
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:50,770
find it and so we opened the film with

865
00:35:55,140 --> 00:35:53,410
this testimony from Jimmy Carter like

866
00:35:58,770 --> 00:35:55,150
who who can you believe if you don't

867
00:36:00,720 --> 00:35:58,780
trust your me Carter yeah great great

868
00:36:02,820 --> 00:36:00,730
guy I'd wanted to just take it back to

869
00:36:04,140 --> 00:36:02,830
what you asked a minute ago though for a

870
00:36:06,030 --> 00:36:04,150
minute cuz I think it's a great question

871
00:36:07,770 --> 00:36:06,040
you know it's something as a filmmaker I

872
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:07,780
asked myself several times during the

873
00:36:12,270 --> 00:36:10,210
making of the film is when we talk about

874
00:36:13,890 --> 00:36:12,280
these kinds of things and and we talk

875
00:36:15,690 --> 00:36:13,900
about like what they were used for you

876
00:36:17,340 --> 00:36:15,700
know like the word target is thrown

877
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:17,350
around a lot in remote viewing but this

878
00:36:21,359 --> 00:36:18,850
was actually something that was used as

879
00:36:23,009 --> 00:36:21,369
a tool of intelligence in potentially

880
00:36:24,299 --> 00:36:23,019
you know violent situations when they

881
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:24,309
were looking for terrorists or they were

882
00:36:28,739 --> 00:36:26,079
looking for a terrorist training camp in

883
00:36:30,660 --> 00:36:28,749
Libya for example or for kidnapped

884
00:36:33,329 --> 00:36:30,670
hostages where violence could take place

885
00:36:34,620 --> 00:36:33,339
and and I think it's a it was it was

886
00:36:37,380 --> 00:36:34,630
it's an interesting thing in the in

887
00:36:40,049 --> 00:36:37,390
terms of anything can be used for good

888
00:36:42,410 --> 00:36:40,059
or ill you know he'll put off told me

889
00:36:44,609 --> 00:36:42,420
you know sort of off camera during the

890
00:36:46,650 --> 00:36:44,619
you know making us you know we we had a

891
00:36:47,999 --> 00:36:46,660
I was sitting there with them and I said

892
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:48,009
you know that exact question that you

893
00:36:51,569 --> 00:36:49,839
just asked wrestle you know do you ever

894
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:51,579
deserve a concern you that you were

895
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:53,680
using remote viewing for you know the

896
00:36:56,969 --> 00:36:54,880
military and they could have been using

897
00:36:58,499 --> 00:36:56,979
this for some other end that you didn't

898
00:36:59,729 --> 00:36:58,509
know about and he said you know I don't

899
00:37:01,499 --> 00:36:59,739
think that wars are created by

900
00:37:03,959 --> 00:37:01,509
intelligence you know they're created by

901
00:37:06,089 --> 00:37:03,969
ignorance and I thought that was a very

902
00:37:08,489 --> 00:37:06,099
true statement because the more you know

903
00:37:10,289 --> 00:37:08,499
about your enemy the less likely you are

904
00:37:12,959 --> 00:37:10,299
to actually wind up having to go to war

905
00:37:14,219 --> 00:37:12,969
because you you understand more and and

906
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:14,229
I think that's that's sort of what

907
00:37:18,959 --> 00:37:16,690
wrestles whole sort of journey has been

908
00:37:20,999 --> 00:37:18,969
for so long is sort of trying to bring

909
00:37:23,130 --> 00:37:21,009
this to awareness more and more you know

910
00:37:26,459 --> 00:37:23,140
because too much secrecy isn't

911
00:37:28,859 --> 00:37:26,469
necessarily a good thing yes those where

912
00:37:30,989 --> 00:37:28,869
you go choice you can be intelligent or

913
00:37:33,299 --> 00:37:30,999
you're gonna be ignorant and you get

914
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:33,309
that choice to make and most people will

915
00:37:37,979 --> 00:37:35,410
choose intelligence over ignorance and

916
00:37:40,940 --> 00:37:37,989
that's the direction we went of course

917
00:37:43,950 --> 00:37:40,950
we did half of our work for the CIA

918
00:37:46,620 --> 00:37:43,960
finding down bombers and describing

919
00:37:49,069 --> 00:37:46,630
weapon systems and so forth but the

920
00:37:53,099 --> 00:37:49,079
other half we published in the

921
00:37:55,259 --> 00:37:53,109
Proceedings of the light Ripley the

922
00:37:58,469 --> 00:37:55,269
American Engineering Society magazine

923
00:38:01,589 --> 00:37:58,479
and we publish in nature magazine which

924
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:01,599
is a prestigious worldwide magazine so

925
00:38:08,579 --> 00:38:04,690
we published our remote-viewing findings

926
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:08,589
and top-rated scientific journals in

927
00:38:16,410 --> 00:38:12,930
addition to spying for the CIA mm-hmm

928
00:38:19,170 --> 00:38:16,420
yes and it is a curious thing to people

929
00:38:21,930 --> 00:38:19,180
as how this would have been unfolded if

930
00:38:23,849 --> 00:38:21,940
it wasn't under that umbrella but of

931
00:38:25,849 --> 00:38:23,859
course it is what it is and it's just a

932
00:38:28,349 --> 00:38:25,859
tool used for many different purposes

933
00:38:30,809 --> 00:38:28,359
but maybe we can get a little bit more

934
00:38:33,630 --> 00:38:30,819
into those wider implications if the

935
00:38:34,700 --> 00:38:33,640
work maybe hadn't been so agenda driven

936
00:38:37,070 --> 00:38:34,710
towards

937
00:38:39,260 --> 00:38:37,080
gathering or we could say now that we're

938
00:38:41,900 --> 00:38:39,270
kind of past that chapter and this

939
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:41,910
story's out how would you like to see

940
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:44,210
this sort of knowledge used or

941
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:46,970
contextualized for the wider audience

942
00:38:53,420 --> 00:38:50,640
well my view as I'm a physicist so what

943
00:38:56,090 --> 00:38:53,430
floats my boat every morning is that we

944
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:56,100
have this data from 20 years the remote

945
00:39:01,520 --> 00:38:58,800
viewing where you can describe things in

946
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:01,530
the future and in the distance and I

947
00:39:07,060 --> 00:39:03,690
would like to know what part of modern

948
00:39:09,980 --> 00:39:07,070
physics describes how that works

949
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:09,990
Honda's evolved a new 1200 years ago

950
00:39:16,220 --> 00:39:12,450
that if you can float into the future

951
00:39:19,820 --> 00:39:16,230
then your consciousness is independent

952
00:39:22,220 --> 00:39:19,830
of cause and effect if you have a dream

953
00:39:24,740 --> 00:39:22,230
tonight of something that's going to

954
00:39:27,110 --> 00:39:24,750
happen tomorrow and then you see it

955
00:39:29,930 --> 00:39:27,120
tomorrow and you say oh my gosh that

956
00:39:31,790 --> 00:39:29,940
elephant in the garden was exactly what

957
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:31,800
I dreamt about last night and I would

958
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:33,450
have never guessed that that was not

959
00:39:39,380 --> 00:39:36,810
part of my wish fulfillment or anxiety

960
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:39,390
but there's a damn elephant just like I

961
00:39:45,740 --> 00:39:42,450
dreamed last night so we'd say that last

962
00:39:48,770 --> 00:39:45,750
night's dream was caused by the next day

963
00:39:51,470 --> 00:39:48,780
the elephant and that's retro causal and

964
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:51,480
the idea of retro causality is a very

965
00:39:58,250 --> 00:39:55,410
hot topic in modern physics the idea

966
00:40:02,060 --> 00:39:58,260
that things in the future can affect you

967
00:40:05,110 --> 00:40:02,070
at an earlier time and the fact that you

968
00:40:09,350 --> 00:40:05,120
can experience things in the distance

969
00:40:11,660 --> 00:40:09,360
independent of space distance so the

970
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:11,670
things that we now think that all remote

971
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:13,890
viewers all over the world agree on is

972
00:40:20,660 --> 00:40:17,280
that you don't degrade the at your

973
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:20,670
accuracy or reliability by looking

974
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:23,520
further and further away there's no

975
00:40:29,420 --> 00:40:26,610
doubt that you can describe the weapons

976
00:40:31,930 --> 00:40:29,430
shop in the Soviet Union just as easily

977
00:40:35,330 --> 00:40:31,940
as you can describe the swimming pool

978
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:35,340
across town in Palo Alto both of those

979
00:40:41,660 --> 00:40:37,890
were described by Pat price with

980
00:40:45,020 --> 00:40:41,670
superlative architectural accuracy his

981
00:40:46,929 --> 00:40:45,030
description of the crane and the spheres

982
00:40:50,660 --> 00:40:46,939
buried in

983
00:40:54,709 --> 00:40:50,670
Semipalatinsk in Siberia those drawings

984
00:40:57,949 --> 00:40:54,719
are just as accurate as his drawings of

985
00:41:03,439 --> 00:40:57,959
the swimming pool two miles south of SR

986
00:41:07,279 --> 00:41:03,449
I so going 6,000 miles away did not

987
00:41:11,570 --> 00:41:07,289
degrade the ability at all similarly we

988
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:11,580
know that one of the things we had to do

989
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:14,610
Ingo Swan was really the father of

990
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:17,010
remote-viewing Ingo named what we're

991
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:20,490
doing remote viewing and he got us into

992
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:24,090
looking at outdoor lifelike targets

993
00:41:28,220 --> 00:41:25,920
instead of guessing what's in the

994
00:41:29,900 --> 00:41:28,230
envelope swans that if I want to see

995
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:29,910
what's in the envelope I'll open the

996
00:41:35,330 --> 00:41:32,250
envelope what you're asking me to do

997
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:35,340
here is a true realization of my ability

998
00:41:41,420 --> 00:41:38,730
I can focus my attention anywhere on the

999
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:41,430
planet or off the planet you had to give

1000
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:43,770
me something worthwhile doing or I'm

1001
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:47,280
going home so Swan was the one who

1002
00:41:53,390 --> 00:41:49,680
invented remote viewing in the modern

1003
00:41:58,130 --> 00:41:53,400
era and encouraged us to teach this

1004
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:58,140
limitless awareness yes well Ingo Swann

1005
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:00,960
was a bold guy and I guess Lance a

1006
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:02,610
question for you is that the film does

1007
00:42:06,860 --> 00:42:04,890
sort of stick to the more easier to

1008
00:42:09,860 --> 00:42:06,870
swallow cases of remote viewing like

1009
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:09,870
seeing the NSA base or even though

1010
00:42:13,700 --> 00:42:11,970
they're still impressive I'm curious

1011
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:13,710
because there are much further out

1012
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:16,290
things that Ingo Swann would remote view

1013
00:42:19,820 --> 00:42:17,970
like the backside of the moon and seeing

1014
00:42:21,470 --> 00:42:19,830
domed structures and an alien presence

1015
00:42:23,780 --> 00:42:21,480
or the story that I've heard you tell

1016
00:42:25,550 --> 00:42:23,790
where apparently Pat price was looking

1017
00:42:28,730 --> 00:42:25,560
at a facility inside a mountain where he

1018
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:28,740
saw some UFOs going in and out obviously

1019
00:42:33,350 --> 00:42:30,810
for the film you just want to prove this

1020
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:33,360
stuff as possible first before really

1021
00:42:37,130 --> 00:42:35,850
taking them to those depths but what are

1022
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:37,140
your thoughts on some of those further

1023
00:42:42,350 --> 00:42:40,530
out examples well I mean this will

1024
00:42:44,030 --> 00:42:42,360
probably be sort of a topic that I'll

1025
00:42:45,860 --> 00:42:44,040
broach hopefully someday and another

1026
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:45,870
another project because I find all of

1027
00:42:51,500 --> 00:42:48,210
that really interesting as well but

1028
00:42:53,300 --> 00:42:51,510
Russell's mantra to me which I really

1029
00:42:55,790 --> 00:42:53,310
sort of took to heart was one

1030
00:42:58,100 --> 00:42:55,800
unbelievable thing at a time

1031
00:42:59,720 --> 00:42:58,110
and another thing I've always followed

1032
00:43:02,540 --> 00:42:59,730
is the KISS principle keep it simple

1033
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:02,550
stupid and and and and there's something

1034
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:04,050
totally to that you take the simplest

1035
00:43:09,650 --> 00:43:06,810
thing and then you build that up as as

1036
00:43:12,350 --> 00:43:09,660
well as you possibly can and then

1037
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:12,360
there's no possibility that that someone

1038
00:43:17,210 --> 00:43:14,640
can really question what you're doing

1039
00:43:19,460 --> 00:43:17,220
because you're just taking the facts and

1040
00:43:21,110 --> 00:43:19,470
you're putting them out I always say

1041
00:43:22,580 --> 00:43:21,120
this is sort of like documenting the

1042
00:43:23,810 --> 00:43:22,590
Holocaust you know not that there's

1043
00:43:25,100 --> 00:43:23,820
anything like that but when you deal

1044
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:25,110
with something so unbelievable

1045
00:43:28,850 --> 00:43:26,850
I was just looking at a bunch of numbers

1046
00:43:30,500 --> 00:43:28,860
on a piece of paper you know that

1047
00:43:32,780 --> 00:43:30,510
doesn't have real meaning to me but when

1048
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:32,790
you actually talk to the people who were

1049
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:34,650
there and you actually compare that to

1050
00:43:38,900 --> 00:43:36,810
the data and and you get a very

1051
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:38,910
well-rounded picture of actual evidence

1052
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:41,520
then you may not know all of the answers

1053
00:43:46,730 --> 00:43:43,890
but at least you know something actually

1054
00:43:48,650 --> 00:43:46,740
occurred that is inexplicable and I've

1055
00:43:50,210 --> 00:43:48,660
read penetration you know INGOs book and

1056
00:43:51,590 --> 00:43:50,220
I've researched all of this different

1057
00:43:53,420 --> 00:43:51,600
kind of stuff and I love talking about

1058
00:43:55,490 --> 00:43:53,430
UFO stuff it's a huge hobby of mine as

1059
00:43:58,310 --> 00:43:55,500
well to follow that subject matter but

1060
00:44:00,530 --> 00:43:58,320
that stuff is still much more

1061
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:00,540
speculative because we don't have a guy

1062
00:44:04,220 --> 00:44:01,890
that actually went to the back side of

1063
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:04,230
the Moon to verify what Ingo Swann did

1064
00:44:08,140 --> 00:44:06,720
there psychically we do have a guy who

1065
00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:08,150
could go you know walk around

1066
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:10,710
Semipalatinsk and look at the big

1067
00:44:14,330 --> 00:44:12,210
spheres and write an article free

1068
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:14,340
Aviation Week has happened to verify

1069
00:44:18,530 --> 00:44:15,930
what you know Pat price talked about

1070
00:44:21,110 --> 00:44:18,540
there so that's what we decided to focus

1071
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:21,120
on was just the cases that we knew were

1072
00:44:25,730 --> 00:44:23,040
really really well documented and by the

1073
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:25,740
way there are many many many more cases

1074
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:28,650
that we actually have documented but

1075
00:44:32,060 --> 00:44:30,330
this didn't appear in the film for the

1076
00:44:34,580 --> 00:44:32,070
sake of time I mean you know so much of

1077
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:34,590
it was how do you get this film under

1078
00:44:38,450 --> 00:44:36,810
like five hours and have people not like

1079
00:44:40,130 --> 00:44:38,460
go into a coma because we're hit feeding

1080
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:40,140
them with so much data you know we had

1081
00:44:44,450 --> 00:44:42,090
to sort of make allow it to breathe and

1082
00:44:46,970 --> 00:44:44,460
just tell the story and in a sense that

1083
00:44:50,060 --> 00:44:46,980
was digestible I actually found it

1084
00:44:51,890 --> 00:44:50,070
really stunning to me that so many times

1085
00:44:53,180 --> 00:44:51,900
we would show people the film and I

1086
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:53,190
would think that we were being very

1087
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:55,440
obvious and straightforward about the

1088
00:44:58,670 --> 00:44:56,880
information and they didn't get it right

1089
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:58,680
away you know it's almost like our

1090
00:45:03,260 --> 00:45:00,720
brains have this sort of the filter on

1091
00:45:04,730 --> 00:45:03,270
them where when it's information kind of

1092
00:45:07,310 --> 00:45:04,740
outside of our paradigms sometimes

1093
00:45:09,620 --> 00:45:07,320
people really need to sit there and soak

1094
00:45:12,500 --> 00:45:09,630
it in and be told like one two three

1095
00:45:14,180 --> 00:45:12,510
times and and and and then maybe they

1096
00:45:16,610 --> 00:45:14,190
start to come around and and this is a

1097
00:45:18,740 --> 00:45:16,620
phenomenon that almost every scientist

1098
00:45:20,750 --> 00:45:18,750
that we interviewed or person that goes

1099
00:45:23,420 --> 00:45:20,760
out and speaks publicly about this has

1100
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:23,430
encountered is is that sometimes you

1101
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:25,170
know people just kind of refuse to see

1102
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:27,570
the data and refuse to kind of you know

1103
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:29,490
look at it and allow their minds to be

1104
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:31,440
changed so so we want something that

1105
00:45:37,820 --> 00:45:34,890
acted as a catalyst for conversation and

1106
00:45:38,900 --> 00:45:37,830
then from there maybe in another project

1107
00:45:40,609 --> 00:45:38,910
I can

1108
00:45:43,249 --> 00:45:40,619
you know extrapolate out to a lot of

1109
00:45:46,130 --> 00:45:43,259
other things but I will say this that I

1110
00:45:48,859 --> 00:45:46,140
find it that there's a lot of evidence

1111
00:45:50,329 --> 00:45:48,869
that your consciousness can go anywhere

1112
00:45:52,190 --> 00:45:50,339
it's not limited by the speed of light

1113
00:45:54,170 --> 00:45:52,200
it's not limited by anything like that

1114
00:45:57,799 --> 00:45:54,180
and and that would really suggest that

1115
00:45:59,660 --> 00:45:57,809
you can sort of for example for it with

1116
00:46:01,370 --> 00:45:59,670
extraterrestrial civilizations we're

1117
00:46:03,499 --> 00:46:01,380
probably looking in completely the wrong

1118
00:46:05,569 --> 00:46:03,509
place you know to make any kind of

1119
00:46:07,730 --> 00:46:05,579
contact we're looking at radio waves and

1120
00:46:10,009 --> 00:46:07,740
you know trying to you know use signal

1121
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:10,019
flags and you know whatever but but in

1122
00:46:13,579 --> 00:46:12,089
in reality your own consciousness is so

1123
00:46:15,650 --> 00:46:13,589
powerful that we're probably just

1124
00:46:17,390 --> 00:46:15,660
missing the phone calls that we're

1125
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:17,400
getting from the stars basically saying

1126
00:46:21,470 --> 00:46:19,170
you know hey guys we're out here because

1127
00:46:23,900 --> 00:46:21,480
we just dismissed that stuff but it's

1128
00:46:25,370 --> 00:46:23,910
still speculative so so that's why it

1129
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:25,380
didn't wind up in the film because we

1130
00:46:29,690 --> 00:46:28,319
really wanted to be grounded in actual

1131
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:29,700
data that could have been verified and

1132
00:46:34,190 --> 00:46:31,170
that was the beauty of working with the

1133
00:46:36,769 --> 00:46:34,200
US government is is that they had ways

1134
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:36,779
to verify stuff that you and I you know

1135
00:46:41,690 --> 00:46:39,119
if we decided to remote view you know

1136
00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:41,700
Brezhnev's office or a missile base and

1137
00:46:44,990 --> 00:46:43,529
you know China or something we would

1138
00:46:47,539 --> 00:46:45,000
never be able to know if we were

1139
00:46:50,809 --> 00:46:47,549
accurate but they had real-time assets

1140
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:50,819
that could verify everything and and I

1141
00:46:55,130 --> 00:46:53,130
think that is why it was useful so in

1142
00:46:57,170 --> 00:46:55,140
one sense yes the CIA was not a place to

1143
00:46:58,640 --> 00:46:57,180
study this stuff because they didn't

1144
00:47:00,589 --> 00:46:58,650
care about how it worked they only care

1145
00:47:02,509 --> 00:47:00,599
that it did but but on the other hand

1146
00:47:04,789 --> 00:47:02,519
they had tools at their disposal to

1147
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:04,799
verify things that otherwise could never

1148
00:47:09,859 --> 00:47:06,690
be verified so that was a very powerful

1149
00:47:12,700 --> 00:47:09,869
tool for creating evidence mm-hmm great

1150
00:47:15,319 --> 00:47:12,710
points and yeah you gotta be methodical

1151
00:47:18,499 --> 00:47:15,329
everyone is kind of on their own level

1152
00:47:20,690 --> 00:47:18,509
with this sort of stuff but I guess once

1153
00:47:23,269 --> 00:47:20,700
you're sold on remote viewing as a

1154
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:23,279
viable tool and then you hear these

1155
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:25,170
other things like alien bases on the

1156
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:28,170
moon or in Alaska I mean you gotta

1157
00:47:32,839 --> 00:47:30,690
wonder because those implications are

1158
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:32,849
just as huge and he was right about

1159
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:35,730
Jupiter's ice rings before anyone else

1160
00:47:39,980 --> 00:47:37,890
seemed to be able to observe him I mean

1161
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:39,990
Russell you knew these guys I mean

1162
00:47:43,309 --> 00:47:41,970
should I put some credibility in what

1163
00:47:44,860 --> 00:47:43,319
they say you find them to be credible

1164
00:47:47,290 --> 00:47:44,870
people right

1165
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:47,300
well as Lance said we try and steer

1166
00:47:52,990 --> 00:47:49,610
clear of the UFOs because we don't have

1167
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:53,000
any first-hand data about them but one

1168
00:47:59,230 --> 00:47:55,760
day Pat price our psychic policeman came

1169
00:48:01,390 --> 00:47:59,240
in to our office that s RI and said you

1170
00:48:04,420 --> 00:48:01,400
know I was a sitting at the kitchen

1171
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:04,430
table and I started looking for UFO

1172
00:48:13,870 --> 00:48:07,520
bases a person might do after his coffee

1173
00:48:15,900 --> 00:48:13,880
and he said I found four sizeable UFO

1174
00:48:19,180 --> 00:48:15,910
bases where they're building stuff

1175
00:48:21,220 --> 00:48:19,190
bottoms of Alaska and Mount Hayes in

1176
00:48:22,930 --> 00:48:21,230
other words in the Pyrenees Mountains no

1177
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:22,940
that was in South America

1178
00:48:30,730 --> 00:48:28,160
and the third one is in Australia and he

1179
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:30,740
described the place in Australia so we

1180
00:48:36,580 --> 00:48:33,050
of course jump this list of places to

1181
00:48:39,970 --> 00:48:36,590
the CIA and CIA said well the place he

1182
00:48:42,180 --> 00:48:39,980
identified in Australia is in fact a

1183
00:48:44,770 --> 00:48:42,190
place where there's been lots of UFO

1184
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:44,780
sightings and activity so it's

1185
00:48:50,740 --> 00:48:46,490
interesting that he should pick that out

1186
00:48:53,140 --> 00:48:50,750
and as we were finishing the film I went

1187
00:48:55,930 --> 00:48:53,150
back to this data is that what the hell

1188
00:48:59,920 --> 00:48:55,940
is Mount Hayes in Alaska and it turns

1189
00:49:03,280 --> 00:48:59,930
out that Mount Hayes is right now a big

1190
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:03,290
center of UFO sightings and even

1191
00:49:10,030 --> 00:49:07,280
wikipedia has pictures of UFOs flying

1192
00:49:14,170 --> 00:49:10,040
over Mount Hayes that's sort of the Lee

1193
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:14,180
hot on 20:19 place to be looking for

1194
00:49:21,310 --> 00:49:17,210
UFOs and this was all described by price

1195
00:49:25,620 --> 00:49:21,320
in 1974 so he may have been onto

1196
00:49:28,330 --> 00:49:25,630
something I love it I love it and

1197
00:49:30,850 --> 00:49:28,340
Russell I've also read your book the

1198
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:30,860
reality of ESP which talks about this

1199
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:32,930
saga a little bit but also goes on to

1200
00:49:37,060 --> 00:49:34,880
fold in things like healing at a

1201
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:37,070
distance and evidence that at least some

1202
00:49:42,250 --> 00:49:39,410
part of us survives death and when you

1203
00:49:44,140 --> 00:49:42,260
fold in all those exotic functions of

1204
00:49:46,780 --> 00:49:44,150
consciousness that are maybe outside of

1205
00:49:49,060 --> 00:49:46,790
the scope of the film it's really

1206
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:49,070
obvious our models need a little

1207
00:49:52,900 --> 00:49:51,050
tweaking and I'm a bit familiar with

1208
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:52,910
your 8 dimensional model but maybe you

1209
00:49:59,579 --> 00:49:55,490
could elaborate on how these things have

1210
00:50:02,729 --> 00:49:59,589
shaped your view of what reality even is

1211
00:50:05,549 --> 00:50:02,739
but we is a big question first of all

1212
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:05,559
yes I am convinced that some part of our

1213
00:50:11,609 --> 00:50:08,170
consciousness survives bodily death

1214
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:11,619
I think there's now been at least a

1215
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:15,130
century of very thoughtful investigation

1216
00:50:20,029 --> 00:50:17,920
starting with the formation of the

1217
00:50:22,799 --> 00:50:20,039
British Society for psychical research

1218
00:50:26,339 --> 00:50:22,809
we had a whole bunch of distinguished

1219
00:50:28,979 --> 00:50:26,349
psychologists at Cambridge interested

1220
00:50:31,949 --> 00:50:28,989
starting with FW Myers who wrote the

1221
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:31,959
book human personality and the survival

1222
00:50:40,439 --> 00:50:35,920
of bodily death where he has cases where

1223
00:50:42,989 --> 00:50:40,449
the medium will describe a conversation

1224
00:50:44,969 --> 00:50:42,999
with the deceased person and it sounded

1225
00:50:45,509 --> 00:50:44,979
like a long-distance phone call from the

1226
00:50:48,599 --> 00:50:45,519
dead

1227
00:50:51,929 --> 00:50:48,609
so you have after we're Myers who was a

1228
00:50:54,989 --> 00:50:51,939
philosopher at Cambridge talking to his

1229
00:50:59,609 --> 00:50:54,999
deceased buddy from the philosophy

1230
00:51:02,999 --> 00:50:59,619
department and the medium is maintaining

1231
00:51:05,819 --> 00:51:03,009
the telephone line between Myers in the

1232
00:51:07,499 --> 00:51:05,829
office and the other guy who's deceased

1233
00:51:09,479 --> 00:51:07,509
and it really sounds like a

1234
00:51:11,939 --> 00:51:09,489
long-distance phone call

1235
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:11,949
we're Myers and his buddy are describing

1236
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:15,249
what they're gonna teach next year they

1237
00:51:20,849 --> 00:51:17,920
have to replace the guy who died and the

1238
00:51:22,949 --> 00:51:20,859
guy who died is describing what classes

1239
00:51:25,140 --> 00:51:22,959
should be taught and where they should

1240
00:51:27,870 --> 00:51:25,150
be taught and it just sounds like and

1241
00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:27,880
that you can't really fake our two

1242
00:51:33,479 --> 00:51:30,689
philosophers talking to each other in

1243
00:51:35,759 --> 00:51:33,489
philosophy speak any more than you could

1244
00:51:38,669 --> 00:51:35,769
if they're speaking philosophy is like

1245
00:51:41,309 --> 00:51:38,679
speaking French or German you've got to

1246
00:51:43,589 --> 00:51:41,319
actually be a philosopher to talk to a

1247
00:51:47,519 --> 00:51:43,599
philosopher about those kind of

1248
00:51:50,849 --> 00:51:47,529
questions so the data from Myers

1249
00:51:54,679 --> 00:51:50,859
research I find very compelling that

1250
00:51:58,589 --> 00:51:54,689
some aspect of personality does survive

1251
00:52:01,109 --> 00:51:58,599
now with regard to h-space model as a

1252
00:52:04,919 --> 00:52:01,119
physicist I'm very interested in trying

1253
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:04,929
to find a description of how you could

1254
00:52:11,099 --> 00:52:08,079
possibly have direct contact with

1255
00:52:13,859 --> 00:52:11,109
something that's in the distance and in

1256
00:52:16,539 --> 00:52:13,869
the early part of 20th said

1257
00:52:19,449 --> 00:52:16,549
Hermann Minkowski worked with Einstein

1258
00:52:21,819 --> 00:52:19,459
Einstein had this idea for relativity

1259
00:52:25,749 --> 00:52:21,829
but he couldn't write an equation that

1260
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:25,759
made sense as Einstein of the very smart

1261
00:52:30,609 --> 00:52:27,440
physicist but he was not a great

1262
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:30,619
mathematician Minkowski was a great

1263
00:52:38,499 --> 00:52:33,680
mathematician and was already interested

1264
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:38,509
in imaginary space time along with RIT

1265
00:52:45,759 --> 00:52:42,319
Riemann who also helped Einstein Riemann

1266
00:52:47,769 --> 00:52:45,769
was a decade before Minkowski and they

1267
00:52:52,539 --> 00:52:47,779
were both interested in complex space

1268
00:52:57,189 --> 00:52:52,549
time and with complex space time what I

1269
00:52:59,439 --> 00:52:57,199
mean by that is that you've got the four

1270
00:53:02,229 --> 00:52:59,449
coordinate you're familiar with that has

1271
00:53:05,289 --> 00:53:02,239
three spatial coordinates up and down

1272
00:53:07,269 --> 00:53:05,299
left and right here and there you have

1273
00:53:10,509 --> 00:53:07,279
three space coordinates and a time

1274
00:53:13,499 --> 00:53:10,519
coordinate and Minkowski point out

1275
00:53:16,539 --> 00:53:13,509
Einstein if you make the time coordinate

1276
00:53:19,959 --> 00:53:16,549
multiplied by the square root of minus

1277
00:53:21,819 --> 00:53:19,969
one so you have I times the time you can

1278
00:53:25,059 --> 00:53:21,829
then write the equations you want for

1279
00:53:26,469 --> 00:53:25,069
relativity and that worked so nobody

1280
00:53:30,219 --> 00:53:26,479
notices anymore

1281
00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:30,229
the relativity actually has an imaginary

1282
00:53:35,140 --> 00:53:32,209
coordinate that doesn't shock anybody

1283
00:53:39,939 --> 00:53:35,150
because we've used it now for 75 years

1284
00:53:42,849 --> 00:53:39,949
and what we're proposing is that all the

1285
00:53:45,939 --> 00:53:42,859
coordinates of space and time do have an

1286
00:53:49,630 --> 00:53:45,949
imaginary part so what we are not doing

1287
00:53:51,999 --> 00:53:49,640
is saying ESP is pretty puzzling why

1288
00:53:54,279 --> 00:53:52,009
don't we add another spatial dimension

1289
00:53:57,579 --> 00:53:54,289
maybe it's the fifth dimension we're not

1290
00:53:59,469 --> 00:53:57,589
doing that we're saying Einsteins four

1291
00:54:03,969 --> 00:53:59,479
dimensional space-time works quite well

1292
00:54:05,829 --> 00:54:03,979
if you want a spacetime that's non-local

1293
00:54:08,620 --> 00:54:05,839
which is what physicists talk about

1294
00:54:12,130 --> 00:54:08,630
these days then you need a space-time

1295
00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:12,140
that allows things that are distant in

1296
00:54:20,189 --> 00:54:15,920
the ordinary space to be available in

1297
00:54:23,650 --> 00:54:20,199
the complex space-time now that may be

1298
00:54:27,099 --> 00:54:23,660
too much to say it's just a coordinate

1299
00:54:27,730 --> 00:54:27,109
system whereas things that are distant

1300
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:27,740
it

1301
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:30,530
ordinary space like from here to Moscow

1302
00:54:36,930 --> 00:54:33,770
six thousand miles away in complex

1303
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:36,940
space-time there will always be a path

1304
00:54:42,070 --> 00:54:40,010
through that complex space-time through

1305
00:54:45,070 --> 00:54:42,080
the complex manifold there will always

1306
00:54:49,870 --> 00:54:45,080
be a path that is total zero distance

1307
00:54:52,030 --> 00:54:49,880
and we think that something like the

1308
00:54:54,100 --> 00:54:52,040
complex space-time that we're talking

1309
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:54,110
about will be the ants it will be a

1310
00:55:02,470 --> 00:54:57,050
description of how ESP works it may not

1311
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:02,480
be our complex ate space but modern

1312
00:55:07,240 --> 00:55:04,250
physics agrees that we live in a

1313
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:07,250
non-local spacetime non-local space-time

1314
00:55:13,930 --> 00:55:11,090
is the the hot topic in modern physics

1315
00:55:16,780 --> 00:55:13,940
it's the idea that photons that were

1316
00:55:19,210 --> 00:55:16,790
born together and travel away from one

1317
00:55:21,790 --> 00:55:19,220
another are still connected so if you've

1318
00:55:25,300 --> 00:55:21,800
grabbed the photon that went to Jupiter

1319
00:55:27,790 --> 00:55:25,310
his brother on earth will notice that

1320
00:55:30,730 --> 00:55:27,800
the missing twin was grabbed and

1321
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:30,740
there'll be a change in the correlation

1322
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:33,650
between the two so there's no question

1323
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:35,930
that something like non-local

1324
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:39,650
correlation exists between things that

1325
00:55:46,210 --> 00:55:43,010
are separated by hundreds of millions of

1326
00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:46,220
miles no doubt that the idea of

1327
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:49,730
non-local connection and entanglement is

1328
00:55:54,220 --> 00:55:51,650
the most interesting thing going on in

1329
00:55:57,550 --> 00:55:54,230
modern physics and we think that this

1330
00:56:00,580 --> 00:55:57,560
non-local space-time is a possible

1331
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:00,590
description of what we're seeing because

1332
00:56:06,490 --> 00:56:02,930
the most interesting thing we know is

1333
00:56:09,070 --> 00:56:06,500
that the accuracy is completely

1334
00:56:11,770 --> 00:56:09,080
independent of the distance when Ingo

1335
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:11,780
was asked to describe what are we going

1336
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:14,480
to find on Jupiter when NASA was

1337
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:18,050
launching the Pioneer spacecraft the

1338
00:56:23,550 --> 00:56:21,050
NASA contract monitor what it ingore

1339
00:56:27,490 --> 00:56:23,560
does say tell me something I don't know

1340
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:27,500
Ingo said well close his eyes takes a

1341
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:29,930
puff of his cigar while looking at

1342
00:56:35,770 --> 00:56:33,440
Jupiter I never noticed before but the

1343
00:56:38,530 --> 00:56:35,780
big fat ice ring all the way around

1344
00:56:39,490 --> 00:56:38,540
Jupiter made of ice crystals shining the

1345
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:39,500
Sun

1346
00:56:45,790 --> 00:56:42,530
and my contract monitor George Ezra said

1347
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:45,800
well Igor you think he have Saturn

1348
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:48,890
aren't you with the rings an Ingo who

1349
00:56:53,470 --> 00:56:51,440
does not suffer fools gladly said no

1350
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:53,480
I've been looking at these things for

1351
00:56:58,360 --> 00:56:55,610
fifty years I know the difference

1352
00:57:01,180 --> 00:56:58,370
between Jupiter and Saturn you asked me

1353
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:01,190
about Jupiter and Jupiter has a big ice

1354
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:03,610
ring that nobody's ever seen before and

1355
00:57:08,650 --> 00:57:06,290
eight months later when the spacecraft

1356
00:57:12,370 --> 00:57:08,660
got there they sent us pictures showing

1357
00:57:15,850 --> 00:57:12,380
the ice ring the Jupiter has and you

1358
00:57:18,940 --> 00:57:15,860
mentioned my book the reality of ESP I

1359
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:18,950
have INGOs drawings that he made that

1360
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:21,890
day of the rings around Jupiter together

1361
00:57:26,860 --> 00:57:25,850
with NASA's photographs and Ingo was it

1362
00:57:29,620 --> 00:57:26,870
right on the money

1363
00:57:32,140 --> 00:57:29,630
that the most interesting thing they

1364
00:57:35,050 --> 00:57:32,150
found in Jupiter when they got there was

1365
00:57:35,970 --> 00:57:35,060
the ice ring five hundred million miles

1366
00:57:40,900 --> 00:57:35,980
away

1367
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:40,910
hmm yes it is so fascinating and on the

1368
00:57:48,790 --> 00:57:43,730
point it didn't take him any time that

1369
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:48,800
as Jupiter is a space hour hour away the

1370
00:57:54,550 --> 00:57:51,290
takes light of the hour to get to

1371
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:54,560
Jupiter it did not take Ingo anytime to

1372
00:57:58,780 --> 00:57:56,330
get to Jupiter he said oh you want to

1373
00:58:00,970 --> 00:57:58,790
see what's on Jupiter let me take a look

1374
00:58:03,580 --> 00:58:00,980
he closed his eyes and said well I see

1375
00:58:05,290 --> 00:58:03,590
these rings yeah it is so mind-blowing

1376
00:58:08,350 --> 00:58:05,300
just the speed in which he could do that

1377
00:58:10,210 --> 00:58:08,360
and man this has been so great as we

1378
00:58:12,820 --> 00:58:10,220
start to pull this thing together again

1379
00:58:15,010 --> 00:58:12,830
the film is as amazing as it is historic

1380
00:58:17,230 --> 00:58:15,020
I have to tip my hat to you Russell in a

1381
00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:17,240
big way because it's pretty brave to be

1382
00:58:21,490 --> 00:58:19,040
so bold with the books you've written

1383
00:58:23,710 --> 00:58:21,500
and now in this film I know much of it

1384
00:58:25,060 --> 00:58:23,720
has been Declassified but it seems like

1385
00:58:27,370 --> 00:58:25,070
you were going to talk about some of

1386
00:58:29,050 --> 00:58:27,380
this stuff either way for me as someone

1387
00:58:31,630 --> 00:58:29,060
who is really intrigued by secret

1388
00:58:33,850 --> 00:58:31,640
research and would like to see a lot

1389
00:58:35,710 --> 00:58:33,860
more of the people involved in these

1390
00:58:38,530 --> 00:58:35,720
kind of things disclose what they worked

1391
00:58:39,370 --> 00:58:38,540
on at least before they pass on forever

1392
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:39,380
and we lose it

1393
00:58:43,900 --> 00:58:41,810
I just greatly appreciate that about you

1394
00:58:45,370 --> 00:58:43,910
and before we wrap this up with the

1395
00:58:47,410 --> 00:58:45,380
plugs for the film and everything people

1396
00:58:50,860 --> 00:58:47,420
need to know I guess my last question is

1397
00:58:52,420 --> 00:58:50,870
if you're hopeful that we might see

1398
00:58:54,690 --> 00:58:52,430
colleagues of your

1399
00:58:57,790 --> 00:58:54,700
in other areas of classified research

1400
00:58:59,680 --> 00:58:57,800
maybe other things you might be aware of

1401
00:59:02,050 --> 00:58:59,690
possibly from places you've worked like

1402
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:02,060
Lockheed Martin perhaps are you hopeful

1403
00:59:07,570 --> 00:59:04,970
that maybe others will be so bold as to

1404
00:59:10,780 --> 00:59:07,580
follow suit and throw out some stuff

1405
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:10,790
that maybe authorities might not want

1406
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:14,210
him to but of course my feeling is that

1407
00:59:18,940 --> 00:59:16,160
I would like there not to be any secrets

1408
00:59:20,890 --> 00:59:18,950
as we say if getting get him getting the

1409
00:59:24,010 --> 00:59:20,900
film no more secrets

1410
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:24,020
see we're working at SR I and as the

1411
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:25,610
things work better and better than they

1412
00:59:29,020 --> 00:59:26,960
surrounded the whole thing with

1413
00:59:32,620 --> 00:59:29,030
sheetrock and I thought that was

1414
00:59:34,660 --> 00:59:32,630
obviously ridiculous if he'll I haven't

1415
00:59:38,530 --> 00:59:34,670
can sit in my office and describe what's

1416
00:59:40,660 --> 00:59:38,540
going on in bridge nebs office 6,000

1417
00:59:44,020 --> 00:59:40,670
miles away what do you think and a piece

1418
00:59:46,330 --> 00:59:44,030
of sheetrock is going to do soapy people

1419
00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:46,340
sort of underestimate psychic ability

1420
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:49,040
and do things that don't make any sense

1421
00:59:53,950 --> 00:59:52,130
because it's beyond their experience you

1422
00:59:56,650 --> 00:59:53,960
asked me what do people say who've seen

1423
00:59:59,410 --> 00:59:56,660
the film or the reviews like my favorite

1424
01:00:01,690 --> 00:59:59,420
review the persons that I saw this film

1425
01:00:03,730 --> 01:00:01,700
and that was so amazing the first thing

1426
01:00:05,550 --> 01:00:03,740
I wanted to do is see it again because

1427
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:05,560
it blew me away

1428
01:00:10,930 --> 01:00:08,330
that is a great review I'd have to say

1429
01:00:13,270 --> 01:00:10,940
and as you've said in the past we paid

1430
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:13,280
for it so maybe we deserve to know and I

1431
01:00:17,950 --> 01:00:15,530
like that phrase - Lance let the people

1432
01:00:20,230 --> 01:00:17,960
know where to watch the film how to see

1433
01:00:22,030 --> 01:00:20,240
the extras and any other things they

1434
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:22,040
might want to know before I cut you guys

1435
01:00:28,510 --> 01:00:25,610
loose thanks Greg yeah right now the

1436
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:28,520
film is available worldwide on every

1437
01:00:32,410 --> 01:00:30,890
digital platform so if you have cable

1438
01:00:35,050 --> 01:00:32,420
services with video on demand you can

1439
01:00:36,910 --> 01:00:35,060
rent it iTunes is a great place because

1440
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:36,920
you know we would love to get you on

1441
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:38,570
there and you know write a review about

1442
01:00:42,340 --> 01:00:40,090
the film if you enjoy it

1443
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:42,350
amazon.com you know you can get it there

1444
01:00:47,230 --> 01:00:45,250
you can get it on Google Play YouTube

1445
01:00:49,330 --> 01:00:47,240
pretty much just anywhere that you can

1446
01:00:50,830 --> 01:00:49,340
go and look for it one easy sort of

1447
01:00:53,530 --> 01:00:50,840
reference guide to find everything is

1448
01:00:55,630 --> 01:00:53,540
just to go to third eye spies comm and

1449
01:00:57,370 --> 01:00:55,640
right there at the top there's you know

1450
01:01:00,040 --> 01:00:57,380
all the different links you can also buy

1451
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:00,050
DVDs there or blu-rays if you want to go

1452
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:01,770
to third eye spies calm

1453
01:01:07,100 --> 01:01:04,770
you can also just join our Facebook

1454
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:07,110
group pretty soon I'm gonna make some

1455
01:01:10,190 --> 01:01:08,850
like third eye spies t-shirts and stuff

1456
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:10,200
that'll be there so they'll be some

1457
01:01:15,859 --> 01:01:12,810
merch that you can also get you know on

1458
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:15,869
our Facebook channel and you can also go

1459
01:01:22,010 --> 01:01:18,570
to our YouTube channel which is waking

1460
01:01:25,580 --> 01:01:22,020
universe TV on YouTube or just my name

1461
01:01:26,660 --> 01:01:25,590
landsman jeah that's mu n GI a and if

1462
01:01:29,180 --> 01:01:26,670
you just type that into YouTube it'll

1463
01:01:31,940 --> 01:01:29,190
come right up and I will be doing a

1464
01:01:33,470 --> 01:01:31,950
weekly series you know for the

1465
01:01:35,570 --> 01:01:33,480
foreseeable future there on the YouTube

1466
01:01:37,220 --> 01:01:35,580
page you know just putting out a lot of

1467
01:01:39,410 --> 01:01:37,230
this information that did not actually

1468
01:01:40,970 --> 01:01:39,420
make it into the film because there were

1469
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:40,980
so many people we interviewed and so

1470
01:01:45,500 --> 01:01:43,410
many different stories that were told so

1471
01:01:47,180 --> 01:01:45,510
many conferences that I went to and you

1472
01:01:49,130 --> 01:01:47,190
know things that I film that that did

1473
01:01:51,260 --> 01:01:49,140
not have time to make it into the film

1474
01:01:53,660 --> 01:01:51,270
so all of that will be appearing on

1475
01:01:55,100 --> 01:01:53,670
YouTube and iTunes by the way if you get

1476
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:55,110
it there there is a tremendous

1477
01:01:59,540 --> 01:01:57,450
tremendous extras package that comes

1478
01:02:02,060 --> 01:01:59,550
with that there's eight unique really

1479
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:02,070
sort of well polished extra features

1480
01:02:06,170 --> 01:02:03,690
that come with the film if you get it on

1481
01:02:07,220 --> 01:02:06,180
iTunes so but a lot of that is also on

1482
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:07,230
the YouTube channels and you get it

1483
01:02:11,060 --> 01:02:08,880
there too that's great and I think

1484
01:02:12,530 --> 01:02:11,070
people really should try to get as much

1485
01:02:14,750 --> 01:02:12,540
of the material as possible because

1486
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:14,760
there are these little things peppered

1487
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:17,130
throughout by various people and my

1488
01:02:21,500 --> 01:02:19,290
fingers are crossed for a large and

1489
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:21,510
positive response may be a signal to let

1490
01:02:25,849 --> 01:02:23,970
the secret keepers know come on in the

1491
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:25,859
water's fine you know what were you

1492
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:28,650
afraid of but again I really appreciate

1493
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:32,250
you guys time and work I mean Russell

1494
01:02:36,109 --> 01:02:34,050
it's an honor and a pleasure to even

1495
01:02:38,660 --> 01:02:36,119
talk to you I'm giddy I'm giddy Russell

1496
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:38,670
but hey take care out there guys much

1497
01:02:42,410 --> 01:02:40,410
appreciated thank you thank you very

1498
01:02:44,660 --> 01:02:42,420
much we're very happy to have the chance

1499
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:44,670
to be with you yeah thank you Greg it

1500
01:02:47,780 --> 01:02:46,410
was an honor and and really thank you

1501
01:02:49,010 --> 01:02:47,790
for having us and help thank you for

1502
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:49,020
helping us get the word out about this

1503
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:50,970
it's I think it's it's good stuff and

1504
01:02:54,290 --> 01:02:52,050
it's important for people to know so

1505
01:02:59,469 --> 01:02:54,300
thank you you got it keep fighting the

1506
01:03:06,259 --> 01:03:03,769
and there it is dear people there it is

1507
01:03:08,359 --> 01:03:06,269
the legendary Russell Targ and his

1508
01:03:11,239 --> 01:03:08,369
partner an eight-millimeter magic Lance

1509
01:03:13,279 --> 01:03:11,249
munguia I thought this was a big deal I

1510
01:03:15,949 --> 01:03:13,289
mean we've talked about Stargate

1511
01:03:17,870 --> 01:03:15,959
documents especially lately quite a bit

1512
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:17,880
when it comes to Shema engineer and also

1513
01:03:22,309 --> 01:03:20,880
the hollow fractal show with Joe so now

1514
01:03:24,410 --> 01:03:22,319
we're talking to one of the key players

1515
01:03:28,219 --> 01:03:24,420
in that unknown chapter of American

1516
01:03:31,999 --> 01:03:28,229
history someone who told Sidney Gottlieb

1517
01:03:34,130 --> 01:03:32,009
no and lived to tell the tale and as an

1518
01:03:37,309 --> 01:03:34,140
interview obviously they're here to

1519
01:03:38,870 --> 01:03:37,319
promote the film specifically and it's

1520
01:03:41,059 --> 01:03:38,880
definitely worth being promoted I

1521
01:03:43,429 --> 01:03:41,069
actually had to leapfrog this one in the

1522
01:03:45,199 --> 01:03:43,439
production schedule and try to turn it

1523
01:03:48,529 --> 01:03:45,209
around quickly because they're trying to

1524
01:03:50,900 --> 01:03:48,539
keep the film up on those charts and I

1525
01:03:53,839 --> 01:03:50,910
get it but I did want to try to throw

1526
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:53,849
some extra stuff in there and that's

1527
01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:55,680
kind of the joy of a two-hour show it's

1528
01:04:00,289 --> 01:03:57,930
longer than most are used to and you can

1529
01:04:02,599 --> 01:04:00,299
kind of do this two questions for you

1530
01:04:05,569 --> 01:04:02,609
one for me pattern and everybody's happy

1531
01:04:07,489 --> 01:04:05,579
and that all of those oddball questions

1532
01:04:10,009 --> 01:04:07,499
went somewhere I got the standard

1533
01:04:12,079 --> 01:04:10,019
michelson-morley response about ether

1534
01:04:15,079 --> 01:04:12,089
and we already talked to Erin Murakami

1535
01:04:17,509 --> 01:04:15,089
about that an experiment that fails to

1536
01:04:21,109 --> 01:04:17,519
detect something does not mean that that

1537
01:04:23,329 --> 01:04:21,119
something doesn't exist and I believe

1538
01:04:25,519 --> 01:04:23,339
they were testing ether flow like a

1539
01:04:26,929 --> 01:04:25,529
river current and they didn't find it

1540
01:04:29,929 --> 01:04:26,939
but maybe that's not the way to go about

1541
01:04:32,359 --> 01:04:29,939
it but hey I just took a shot because

1542
01:04:34,370 --> 01:04:32,369
he's a physicist who has had to adapt

1543
01:04:36,679 --> 01:04:34,380
the model a little bit to fold in this

1544
01:04:39,799 --> 01:04:36,689
remote viewing research figured I'd ask

1545
01:04:43,009 --> 01:04:39,809
and I honestly don't know I just know

1546
01:04:45,589 --> 01:04:43,019
what I want to be true but what a career

1547
01:04:48,199 --> 01:04:45,599
right a pioneer in the development of

1548
01:04:50,449 --> 01:04:48,209
lasers a pioneer in scientifically

1549
01:04:52,969 --> 01:04:50,459
testing psychic abilities and then

1550
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:52,979
ending your career as a chief scientist

1551
01:04:57,609 --> 01:04:56,130
for Lockheed Martin hmm had to at least

1552
01:05:00,140 --> 01:04:57,619
try to bring those themes together

1553
01:05:02,329 --> 01:05:00,150
working with light and consciousness as

1554
01:05:04,459 --> 01:05:02,339
well as seeing how you don't have to go

1555
01:05:06,380 --> 01:05:04,469
too far into the remote viewing rabbit

1556
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:06,390
hole or the Lockheed Martin rumor mill

1557
01:05:11,499 --> 01:05:08,930
before you get to UFOs

1558
01:05:14,859 --> 01:05:11,509
so it was all worth asking but I

1559
01:05:17,259 --> 01:05:14,869
understand the man is 84 doing podcast

1560
01:05:18,940 --> 01:05:17,269
interviews on skype he's happy just to

1561
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:18,950
have the freedom to talk about the third

1562
01:05:23,609 --> 01:05:21,650
eye spies work and as he says one

1563
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:23,619
unbelievable thing at a time you know

1564
01:05:28,420 --> 01:05:26,450
maybe that stuff truly is out of his

1565
01:05:31,509 --> 01:05:28,430
Lane but even if he did know something

1566
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:31,519
those might not be his secrets to tell

1567
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:35,210
but the s RI stuff is I guess if I was

1568
01:05:40,180 --> 01:05:37,130
in that position and I couldn't talk

1569
01:05:42,819 --> 01:05:40,190
about my amazing work on real magic for

1570
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:42,829
a good chunk of my life and the

1571
01:05:47,410 --> 01:05:44,930
organization I did the work for came out

1572
01:05:50,650 --> 01:05:47,420
and said it never worked or had any

1573
01:05:53,519 --> 01:05:50,660
practical application and then finally

1574
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:53,529
later in life I was actually validated I

1575
01:05:58,299 --> 01:05:55,970
probably wouldn't go poking that CIA

1576
01:06:00,740 --> 01:05:58,309
bear any more than I had to even if I

1577
01:06:03,650 --> 01:06:00,750
did know some other stuff

1578
01:06:05,900 --> 01:06:03,660
and that scene is actually really moving

1579
01:06:07,940 --> 01:06:05,910
in the film when Russell's son presents

1580
01:06:12,140 --> 01:06:07,950
him with some declassified documents

1581
01:06:14,060 --> 01:06:12,150
that he worked to get released you can

1582
01:06:16,730 --> 01:06:14,070
tell that Russell's pretty moved by it

1583
01:06:20,210 --> 01:06:16,740
and I thought that emotion was also

1584
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:20,220
pretty contagious and I am just a little

1585
01:06:23,930 --> 01:06:22,170
fuzzy on the exact timeline of

1586
01:06:26,780 --> 01:06:23,940
everything but if you've read Russell's

1587
01:06:29,900 --> 01:06:26,790
books it seems like he's been writing

1588
01:06:32,210 --> 01:06:29,910
about this stuff longer than maybe he

1589
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:32,220
should have or getting very close to the

1590
01:06:38,270 --> 01:06:35,250
line so I'm happy for him and I have

1591
01:06:41,270 --> 01:06:38,280
just so much respect for him too I think

1592
01:06:43,220 --> 01:06:41,280
this show makes a good compliment to the

1593
01:06:44,810 --> 01:06:43,230
American cosmic episode in a lot of ways

1594
01:06:47,090 --> 01:06:44,820
or the conversation about Chris

1595
01:06:50,030 --> 01:06:47,100
Milligan's dad who wasn't cool with the

1596
01:06:53,300 --> 01:06:50,040
CIA dealing drugs these times where

1597
01:06:55,870 --> 01:06:53,310
we're talking to for about people who

1598
01:06:58,280 --> 01:06:55,880
have been within the inner circle and

1599
01:07:00,830 --> 01:06:58,290
they're good people trying to do the

1600
01:07:04,460 --> 01:07:00,840
best they can within constraints that

1601
01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:04,470
came from the top down I think most of

1602
01:07:07,790 --> 01:07:06,240
us should understand the fact that we'd

1603
01:07:10,340 --> 01:07:07,800
like to do things differently but we

1604
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:10,350
have bosses who write our paychecks and

1605
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:13,410
thus we don't just scale it up a bit you

1606
01:07:18,650 --> 01:07:16,530
know and I don't want to be naive or

1607
01:07:21,020 --> 01:07:18,660
overstate things about people that I

1608
01:07:23,510 --> 01:07:21,030
really don't know but who really knows

1609
01:07:25,850 --> 01:07:23,520
anyone actually and this all maybe

1610
01:07:28,330 --> 01:07:25,860
touches on the theme of being better at

1611
01:07:31,070 --> 01:07:28,340
handling conspiracy subject matter

1612
01:07:32,900 --> 01:07:31,080
taking the higher and higher side chats

1613
01:07:35,390 --> 01:07:32,910
and making it more about elevating the

1614
01:07:38,210 --> 01:07:35,400
discourse than getting high we don't

1615
01:07:40,430 --> 01:07:38,220
have to hear that someone has a CIA

1616
01:07:42,350 --> 01:07:40,440
contract and then retreat to the corner

1617
01:07:44,870 --> 01:07:42,360
huddled up making a cross with our index

1618
01:07:46,580 --> 01:07:44,880
fingers I'd hope we can be a little

1619
01:07:48,980 --> 01:07:46,590
better than that because if we don't

1620
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:48,990
have the nuance to tell the difference

1621
01:07:53,630 --> 01:07:51,090
between a Russell Targ and a Sidney

1622
01:07:55,730 --> 01:07:53,640
Gottlieb nobody's gonna want to talk to

1623
01:07:58,340 --> 01:07:55,740
us and we'll only set ourselves further

1624
01:08:01,010 --> 01:07:58,350
back and look like the crazy paranoid

1625
01:08:03,500 --> 01:08:01,020
uneducated conspiracy carrier that they

1626
01:08:05,540 --> 01:08:03,510
try to make us out to be and I don't

1627
01:08:08,270 --> 01:08:05,550
want to play that part it's all I'm

1628
01:08:10,490 --> 01:08:08,280
saying and I'm sure it's been said

1629
01:08:12,770 --> 01:08:10,500
before but let's not forget what Russell

1630
01:08:14,510 --> 01:08:12,780
did tell us I think it conveniently

1631
01:08:16,370 --> 01:08:14,520
naturally fit right at the

1632
01:08:20,059 --> 01:08:16,380
end of the free show and what a finale

1633
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:20,069
because I followed up on those weird UFO

1634
01:08:24,980 --> 01:08:22,410
roads that this remote viewing research

1635
01:08:27,070 --> 01:08:24,990
leads to and kind of said Russell you

1636
01:08:31,670 --> 01:08:27,080
knew these guys you trusted these guys

1637
01:08:34,190 --> 01:08:31,680
but they've also said XY and Z some of

1638
01:08:36,499 --> 01:08:34,200
them are dead now you knew them how much

1639
01:08:38,539 --> 01:08:36,509
credence should we give to these far-out

1640
01:08:40,220 --> 01:08:38,549
instances of remote viewing aliens or

1641
01:08:44,090 --> 01:08:40,230
moon bases and he did come back with

1642
01:08:49,030 --> 01:08:44,100
what Pat Price said for the locations of

1643
01:08:52,099 --> 01:08:49,040
for UFO bases well that's not nothing

1644
01:08:54,620 --> 01:08:52,109
so remote viewing is real you might as

1645
01:08:56,749 --> 01:08:54,630
well start trying it right I think it's

1646
01:08:58,280 --> 01:08:56,759
so crazy that we'll read books about it

1647
01:09:00,019 --> 01:08:58,290
we'll listen to an interview like this

1648
01:09:03,380 --> 01:09:00,029
but then most people won't even take an

1649
01:09:06,230 --> 01:09:03,390
hour to try don't be like that don't be

1650
01:09:08,630 --> 01:09:06,240
like me I played apex legends the other

1651
01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:08,640
night for six hours the same day I

1652
01:09:13,430 --> 01:09:10,799
worked out for 10 minutes and meditated

1653
01:09:16,039 --> 01:09:13,440
for 15 better than nothing but the

1654
01:09:18,950 --> 01:09:16,049
balance is as out of whack for me as it

1655
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:18,960
is for anyone you know I got a couple of

1656
01:09:22,519 --> 01:09:20,250
friends who are talking about going to

1657
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:22,529
see a therapist or getting on some

1658
01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:25,170
medication for their depression and I

1659
01:09:29,059 --> 01:09:26,880
try not to badger them too much but I do

1660
01:09:31,999 --> 01:09:29,069
say a couple of things number one if

1661
01:09:34,130 --> 01:09:32,009
your unhappiness is situational then

1662
01:09:36,559 --> 01:09:34,140
work on fixing the situation rather than

1663
01:09:40,039 --> 01:09:36,569
taking a pill that numbs what is

1664
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:40,049
actually a pretty proper response and to

1665
01:09:45,710 --> 01:09:43,170
try meditation exercise and a better

1666
01:09:48,620 --> 01:09:45,720
diet first and they say well do you

1667
01:09:50,570 --> 01:09:48,630
meditate and I say look just because I

1668
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:50,580
don't do it as much as I should doesn't

1669
01:09:55,250 --> 01:09:53,520
mean it's not good advice plus I'm not

1670
01:09:57,680 --> 01:09:55,260
the one talking about psychiatrists and

1671
01:10:00,680 --> 01:09:57,690
antidepressants but I guess the point is

1672
01:10:02,650 --> 01:10:00,690
that sitting still and focusing on our

1673
01:10:04,790 --> 01:10:02,660
breath or clearing our mind

1674
01:10:07,670 --> 01:10:04,800
sounds like the simplest thing in the

1675
01:10:11,690 --> 01:10:07,680
world but we'll jump through all sorts

1676
01:10:13,670 --> 01:10:11,700
of Hoops to avoid it knock that off so I

1677
01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:13,680
hope you had a good time how could you

1678
01:10:18,890 --> 01:10:15,600
not want to check out the film Lance did

1679
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:18,900
a great job with it I know for Russell a

1680
01:10:23,750 --> 01:10:20,640
big element of this whole thing was

1681
01:10:25,740 --> 01:10:23,760
trying to honor Pat prices legacy better

1682
01:10:27,570 --> 01:10:25,750
than had been done

1683
01:10:30,660 --> 01:10:27,580
and you'll see in the film that there's

1684
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:30,670
a lot of sketchy elements around Pat's

1685
01:10:35,730 --> 01:10:33,130
death and we didn't talk about it today

1686
01:10:36,750 --> 01:10:35,740
but apparently Pat was a Scientologist

1687
01:10:40,050 --> 01:10:36,760
and if you know anything about that

1688
01:10:42,750 --> 01:10:40,060
organization they thrive on intelligence

1689
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:42,760
gathering and I would even say blackmail

1690
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:45,250
of their own members but Pat was telling

1691
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:47,770
them what he was doing and who knows if

1692
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:49,330
that had anything to do with his death

1693
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:52,000
directly but it's interesting and just

1694
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:53,890
another reason to watch the movie and

1695
01:10:59,250 --> 01:10:56,410
check out lances extras on his YouTube

1696
01:11:01,500 --> 01:10:59,260
channel waking universe TV because

1697
01:11:03,480 --> 01:11:01,510
there's so much more there so many

1698
01:11:06,690 --> 01:11:03,490
little threads that are all interesting

1699
01:11:09,210 --> 01:11:06,700
and just can't all be talked about in a

1700
01:11:11,130 --> 01:11:09,220
two-hour interview I'm sure some of you

1701
01:11:13,140 --> 01:11:11,140
are wondering why I didn't ask if these

1702
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:13,150
things worked so well why did the

1703
01:11:20,310 --> 01:11:17,770
program end in 95 well yeah it didn't so

1704
01:11:22,260 --> 01:11:20,320
don't you worry about that the film

1705
01:11:24,180 --> 01:11:22,270
makes it pretty clear that some people

1706
01:11:27,210 --> 01:11:24,190
even being interviewed in it are still

1707
01:11:29,730 --> 01:11:27,220
consulting in this manner today so

1708
01:11:31,980 --> 01:11:29,740
another episode in the bag if you like

1709
01:11:33,690 --> 01:11:31,990
the way I put together a show and my

1710
01:11:35,460 --> 01:11:33,700
line of questioning and all that stuff

1711
01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:35,470
you know it continued on into the full

1712
01:11:40,590 --> 01:11:37,450
two-hour episode for people who are

1713
01:11:42,990 --> 01:11:40,600
subscribers of THC plus I'll give you

1714
01:11:45,480 --> 01:11:43,000
that first hour for free but we

1715
01:11:48,030 --> 01:11:45,490
definitely do get deeper in that second

1716
01:11:50,730 --> 01:11:48,040
part some of the extra topics of today's

1717
01:11:53,700 --> 01:11:50,740
would include using remote viewing to

1718
01:11:56,580 --> 01:11:53,710
forecast the stock market Russell's ESP

1719
01:11:59,760 --> 01:11:56,590
training app the reverse side phenomenon

1720
01:12:03,030 --> 01:11:59,770
how much of the project is the CIA still

1721
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:03,040
withholding Russell's thoughts on lasers

1722
01:12:09,210 --> 01:12:05,290
light and consciousness and affecting

1723
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:09,220
someone's physiology remotely stuff I

1724
01:12:13,710 --> 01:12:10,930
really enjoyed definitely added some

1725
01:12:16,050 --> 01:12:13,720
layers to my understanding and it's

1726
01:12:19,530 --> 01:12:16,060
where I got to some of my off-topic

1727
01:12:23,100 --> 01:12:19,540
questions but we also talked about this

1728
01:12:25,740 --> 01:12:23,110
curious little thing I guess it would be

1729
01:12:28,740 --> 01:12:25,750
summarized in the sentence before the

1730
01:12:30,930 --> 01:12:28,750
CIA contract Russell was invited to a

1731
01:12:34,890 --> 01:12:30,940
NASA conference on speculative

1732
01:12:37,340 --> 01:12:34,900
technology where Wernher von Braun tried

1733
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:37,350
his psychic training game

1734
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:40,770
what a sentence right well I could go on

1735
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:43,530
all day with those little details that I

1736
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:45,210
think should be highlighted and

1737
01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:48,000
underlined a bunch of times but either

1738
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:50,490
way please sign up for plus if you like

1739
01:12:55,940 --> 01:12:53,130
what I'm doing here we have years and

1740
01:12:58,430 --> 01:12:55,950
years and years of shows and I would

1741
01:13:00,680 --> 01:12:58,440
love to see you hop on the train the

1742
01:13:03,110 --> 01:13:00,690
more members we have the more fuel gets

1743
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:03,120
in the tank the more clout we have and

1744
01:13:08,210 --> 01:13:05,370
the more people I can ask interesting

1745
01:13:11,480 --> 01:13:08,220
questions too it's the conspiracy

1746
01:13:13,850 --> 01:13:11,490
podcast circle of life but all that said

1747
01:13:16,910 --> 01:13:13,860
big thanks again to Lance and Russell in

1748
01:13:18,710 --> 01:13:16,920
fact Russell would be the third THC

1749
01:13:21,380 --> 01:13:18,720
guest with a band TED talk or a

1750
01:13:23,870 --> 01:13:21,390
cancelled TED talk so we're stacking

1751
01:13:26,420 --> 01:13:23,880
those accolades and with that I'll see

1752
01:13:28,970 --> 01:13:26,430
you next time your move psychic spies

1753
01:13:34,630 --> 01:13:28,980
CIA secret keepers and those tuned into

1754
01:13:39,650 --> 01:13:35,990
God

1755
01:13:44,300 --> 01:13:39,660
it's just shown now so what's it gonna

1756
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:44,310
be people will tune in to hear another

1757
01:13:53,330 --> 01:13:49,920
new conspiracy almost too much oh we

1758
01:13:59,260 --> 01:13:53,340
thought this was low it's bad getting

1759
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:02,060
there on the higher side chats cuz it's

1760
01:14:08,570 --> 01:14:05,280
everybody's favorite show

1761
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:08,580
where are the good people go

1762
01:14:12,990 --> 01:14:10,170
[Music]

1763
01:14:19,740 --> 01:14:13,000
he got Jamar's caught in white and then

1764
01:14:22,530 --> 01:14:19,750
this crowd they talk this in that on the

1765
01:14:23,550 --> 01:14:22,540
high side chat testing one two now what

1766
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:23,560
you gonna do

1767
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:26,410
bad news misuse got too much to loops

1768
01:14:32,220 --> 01:14:28,810
give me some truth now hoops side we on

1769
01:14:35,250 --> 01:14:32,230
whatever you say turn on the boob tube

1770
01:14:39,450 --> 01:14:35,260
I'm in mood to obey you so lead me

1771
01:14:44,729 --> 01:14:39,460
astray and by the way now we're all the

1772
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:44,739
good people go they lock them up it

1773
01:14:55,620 --> 01:14:49,930
seems you're protesting Monsanto when

1774
01:15:04,590 --> 01:14:55,630
all the good people go there on the THC

1775
01:15:09,330 --> 01:15:04,600
my favorite show sitting down new

1776
01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:09,340
episode to hear wanna light a bowl but I

1777
01:15:16,460 --> 01:15:13,450
fear the police can you hear me

1778
01:15:20,190 --> 01:15:16,470
and interrupt me from this friendly

1779
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:20,200
conversation been waiting all week for

1780
01:15:31,470 --> 01:15:26,770
THC with the car wood there's no

1781
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:31,480
hesitation exposing the truth getting to

1782
01:15:42,090 --> 01:15:38,050
the elite scams schemes conspiracies and

1783
01:15:45,150 --> 01:15:42,100
treason it's an excellent show what I

1784
01:15:50,700 --> 01:15:45,160
need to know is where all the good

1785
01:15:55,830 --> 01:15:50,710
people go then only getting hate and

1786
01:16:01,830 --> 01:15:55,840
fear from all the other hos when all the

1787
01:16:09,030 --> 01:16:01,840
good people go guess that makes THC my

1788
01:16:11,610 --> 01:16:09,040
favorite show this and that on the high

1789
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:11,620
side chat testing one two now what

1790
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:12,640
you're gonna do

1791
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:15,010
bad news misuse come give me some truth

1792
01:16:21,930 --> 01:16:17,770
you got too much to lose recital them on

1793
01:16:23,630 --> 01:16:21,940
today anyway okay whatever you say wrong

1794
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:23,640
and mezack lupin in the mood to a

1795
01:16:28,919 --> 01:16:27,370
patientís station desensitizing the

1796
01:16:29,790 --> 01:16:28,929
nation